LOL @ 400 hands telling you anything.

I, otoh, know more about this subject than anyone else in the world by a HUGE margin, and what I would be doing is comparing the 400 hands to a sample of 100 million or more hands I have already analyzed, and bringing to bear a methodology for controlling for variance that I have honed over 5 years of being the world's leading analyst of samples of poker hands.

Not to brag, or anything.

If you say so. Very interested in the outcome and honestly hope this experiment proves me wrong

sadly, I don't know if we have enough people participating atm. would like to see more people tracking their results.

obviously, having more people and a bigger sample would be better than what I think we can squeak by with.

Do all hands need to be at 1/2? I'm probably playing the next 2 days, but likely @ 1/3, where I'd assume the SB winrates are going to vary slightly from 1/2.

Just note the stakes we will convert to bbs

Mostly folds again Saturday night. I don't get many SBs in my 3-4 hour sessions. Play a lot fewer hands than I ever thought.

1) 7c3c. Fold to raise
2) 29o, fold to raise
3) Qc9c. Complete. Fold to flop bet. Totally missed
4) 93o. Fold in straddled pot
5) AcQc. I raise to $13 3 callers. Flop QsTc5s. I bet $50. Everyone folds.
6) Q3o, fold to raise and reraise.
7) 7To, fold in straddled pot
8) Tc3c, fold to raise.
9) 77. Fold to $20 raise from guy with less than $100.

Just seems that folding from the SB costing 1/3 bb rather than 1/2 bb would be skewy, especially in tiny samples.

Session 1 - 4.5 Hrs
1/3 NL

Lost a BI (due mostly to losing a multi-BI pot with nut straight on turn, get it all in, boat on river, & just a lame daytime table)

Small blinds dealt
* A2o FOLD after 3 limps
* Q8s FOLD to raise of $16
* J3o FOLD to raise of $12
* 62o FOLD after 1 limp
* Dealer skipped my SB...I didn't notice until after I had already folded my button when I wondered what I had in the SB. Dealer (and I) got distracted by a rip in a card & request for a new card.
* 87o FOLD to raise to $20
* AKs CALL (!) raise to $12 from OMC over 1 limper, limper folds. Check down Q high board. MHIG. Seems like a sketchily played hand, but meh. $14 profit after rake & such.
* K7o FOLD to raise to $15
* A4o CALL after 2 limpers, check/fold JT2 rainbow
* J7o FOLD to raise to $10
* A6o FOLD to raise to $10
* K8o FOLD to raise to $12
* J5o FOLD after 1 limp
* 32o CALL after 1 limp, check/fold A88 (spewwwww)
* Q2s CHOP
* T7o CHOP
* Q4o FOLD after 2 limps
* 92o FOLD after 2 limps
* K3o FOLD after 3 limps
* QJo CALL after 2 limps, check/fold T76
* 62s CALL after 1 limp, check/fold Q83 flop (spewwwwwww)
* K2o FOLD after 2 limps
* 85o FOLD after raise to $8

SBs dealt (not including chops) = 20
SBs Played = 5 (SB VPIP% 25%)

Forced in pot = $20
VPIP$ = $19
Total put in pot = $39
Total won = $14
SB Profit/Loss = -$25

Lame day of poker, mediocre small blind play, but oh well.

1) Ac7c, call $8 from an aggrodonk. Thought about 3-betting. Flop AQQ. I call $15. Checks down. MHIG.
2) Qh5h. Fold to raise
3) KhJh. Call $12 raise from same guy. Flop KJ4. Checkraise $25 c-bet to $60. One caller. Shove 3 turn. Take down $150 pot.
4) 65o. Fold to raise.
5) Ac9c. Fold to 3-bet.
6) A9o. Fold to raise
7) 7d2d. Raise to $17 over limpers. C-bet TJ8 flop. Take it down.
8) 39o. Fold to raise.
9) Q7o. fold to raise.
10) T5o. Fold no raise.
11) T2o. Fold to raise.
12) J7o. Fold no raise.
13) 73o. Fold no raise.
14) Q6o. Fold to raise.
15) 79o. Fold to raise.
16) 26o. Fold no raise.
17) J3o. Fold no raise.
18) 93o. Fold no raise.

So played 3 hands from SB. Won 3 hands from SB including my spew with 27.

we need your profit on the hands, not the pot size.

ok. will figure that out.

Profits:
1) $27
3) $82
7) $18

didn't get a chance to record my hands last night.

here's one that would have a negative effect on the SB data:

i limp 22 in the SB. Flop 332. checks around. i bet $10 on a 7 turn. river J. I bet $25. guy shoves. I call off $200 more. he has 7s3s ... -$237.

You guys still keeping up with this data?

king bumpers

If you guys are still trying to figure out this data:
All hand 1/2 NL
1) KQs - Chop (6 handed)
2) K7o - fold to a raise from LP (6 handed)
3) JTo - complete, 2 limpers, fold on whiffed board to a bet (6 handed) -$1
4) JTo - complete, 3 limers, fold on whiffed board to a bet (6 handed) -$1
5) Q5s - fold to a raise (all hands are 8 handed now)
6) Q4o - fold, 4 limpers
7) 52o - fold 2 limpers
8) QTo - complete, 3 limpers, fold on whiffed flop -$1
9) A2s - complete, 3 limpers, fold on whiffed flop -$1
10) T9o - complete, 1 limp, bet flop, win. Pot Size: $6 - $1 tip - $2 I invested = $3 profit.
11) T6o - fold 4 limpers
12) 74o - fold to raise
13) QJo - btn raise to $6, call + 2 others, flop JTT ck around, turn J ck around, river A bet $16 1 caller, MHIG. Pot Size: $57 - $6 rake - $1 tip - $22 I invested = $28 profit.
14) K9o - fold, 4 limpers
15) 86o - fold to a raise
16) K8o - fold, 4 limps
17) Q8o - fold 2 limps (all hands are 9 handed from now on)
18) XX - fold, trash cards, no record, $4 btn straddle
19) 93o - fold, 2 limpers
20) A8o - fold, 3 limpers
21) XX - fold to raise, no record
22) Q2s - fold, 3 limpers
23) 84o - fold
24) K6o - fold
25) JTo - 1 limper, raise $10 2 callers, flop KK7r lead $14 1 fold, LP raise to $30, fold he shows K5s. -$24
26) 77 - call $10 raise from LP 3flop, K93r, ck ck bet $15, flat fold, turn 7, lead $20, jam (for $85) call, win vs AA. Pot size: $230 - $6 rake - $2 tip - $110 I invested = $112 profit.
27) 87s - (8h7h) complete, 7flop, 3h5c6c lead $14, win. Pot size: $14 - $1 rake - $1 tip - $2 I invested = $10 profit.

Hope it helps!

God, why?!

Hand 26 is really bad. Also don't chop 6 handed and print money.

Calling $15 to win $85 more is bad with 77 in that spot?

Then I don't want to be good!

I wasn't calling to hit a 7, that was just a pleasant surprise. I thought there was decent chance that I was ahead at the time. I felt he could open wide (he opened smaller than usual) and he looked like he could cBet a good portion on a pretty unconnected board.

Then I smashed the turn and well that changed things of course.

Not saying it's right, just my thoughts.

If that's the case, they're not calculating EV correctly. A fold is 0EV, regardless of what you were forced to put in before the hand was dealt.

As mentioned in the "Is it profitable to be a nit" thread, this looks to be the thread mentioned with regards to SB completion EV.

Some thought-provoking discussion about what range of hands should be completed in a limped pot from the SB. I encourage everyone to record their SB activity for at least one session and report back here. There seem to be some strongly-held beliefs and it would be helpful to shed some more light on the discussion. I'll be tracking my next few session and will report back here.

That's not the way holdem manager works. If you open folded 100% of your hands it would show you as losing money from the blinds.

I think most people care about absolute EV; whether they're making or losing money. It's only when faced with a bet and you're deciding whether to call that relative EV is a simple way of looking at things.

I think this post from earlier in the thread explain it very well:

Here's the way the positional stats look:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...3&postcount=20

Everybody is -EV from the blinds.

I've only got about 150 orbits recorded, but so far it's pretty much what I expected. Every time I complete with something speculative or worse, I either c/f or spew off a few BB. That's really adding up. I'm losing double than if I'd just folded everything. Still early so we'll see how it goes.

Not everybody. Mpethybridge was +EV in the blinds at 200nl when he was playing seriously prior to BF. It requires a tremendous amount of work that at LLSNL is better spend working on other leaks that cost you more.