Haha, Villain is definitely a solid reg have seen him a bunch at 2/5 and 5/10 with good stacks, but hadn't played a session him yet. He played seemingly really solid the whole 6 hour session we were at the same table.

At 2/5, at least at the games I play at I don't think it is super uncommon for a confident postflop villain to peel turn for $60 into $110. He can think he is good some of the time that I am stabbing after flop checks around. Plus he can think that some of the time he can take it away on the river.

Since 100% of the people in this thread said they would fold to the river shove I don't know how you can say it was spew since apparently I should have folded to the bluff.

Here's why I don't like the river call, even knowing results. You need to be good over 30% of the time. Most Vs in a 2/5 game will not raise river as a bluff. Most regs won't even raise river as a bluff. So, half the time V is just not capable of this move (you only know that he's a reg). Even if V is capable of making this move, how often does he do it, especially considering that he (I) called turn and (ii) the principal draw just hit. V has to be bluffing a lot for this to be a good call. When you combine the chances that V just doesn't have a bluff in his repertoire here with the chances that, even if he does sometimes bluff here, he has value too often, I think it adds up to this being a fold.

BTW, V's turn call is awful. As SB here, you are almost completely uncapped here. You could easily have 888, 333, A8, A3, etc. that whiffed on a flop check raise. You're betting into 3 people, so unlikely you're just taking a stab. If you are, it's likely you have significant equity (i.e. a hand like JTss, which has two overs to his 99, a FD and a GS).

Just because someone plays 5/10 a lot doesn't make them a good player. Maybe he has a lot of money or maybe he got lucky and binked a tourney. If he plays this way a lot he probably isn't a winning player unless he is just having a bad day and screwing up a ton.

He also isn't deep enough to be pulling off this bluff imo, but maybe he read your river lead as weak and while you shouldn't be calling, his turn call was worse.

This makes sense for sure. I totally agree it is a very rare thing for a live villain to bluff shove over a river lead.

Agree his turn call is much worse than his river shove. I think his river shove is actually pretty good if he puts me on a 1pair hand putting out a blocker.

Since I am normally an unknown obvious rec player at most tables I play at I see regs float/call a lot lighter to outplay me on later streets than they do the rest of the table. Not saying that happened here, but definitely a pattern I have noticed since I play in a lot of different casinos while traveling.

A good player could possibly raise turn with 9s but not call. His river raise could be good depending on your tendencies but it's such a rare play that your river call is absolutely atrocious.

Having a big stack (even on a frequent basis) doesn't actually indicate he is a good player whatsoever. It may be more indicative of his session length or playing style. Players that play a lot of hands tend to build big stacks. Most of these players are of course losing players. Also the majority of players that play poker on a regular basis are losing players.

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uncapped range doesnt matter. he doesnt need a fold very often and his hand is dead. I think given his range and hero's range, the GTO would be to ship his whole range, and i would guess you dont win 33% either. the A of the suit being gone is significsnt, bur Vs range pre was wide, and checking bsck range also wide. 99 shipping means your call was marginal since he prolly does it w TT JJ Kx as well, the other wuestion is does he also ship w QQ/KQ?

Also i dont really think hero is really uncapped with the blocker bet.

and yeah i didnt math the percentage you need, my bad. there is also some fold % V needs on river, and he likely has it.

Your reason #5 is lol-tastic.

This guy called with 99 specifically to turn it into a zero-equity bluff, and you don't think he shows up with JT here?

Lol this, horrible call on the turn, musta felt the 9 coming lol.

Even though you won the hand I think it's a bad call.

His call is bad but not as bad as you think. Given the flop check around villain can easily think I am taking a stab with a FD or 8 on turn and float. If that is the case some of the time and the rest of the time villain thinks I am at best 1 mediocre pair he can steal on river.

The potential equity of 99 on turn vs a stab by me makes his hand vastly different from J10 which would only be calling to hit gutter or bluff.

His turn call was 60 into a pot of 180.

My general read is to always be much more careful when the first person to act in a multi-way pot takes a "stab" on the turn. If the first person to act was not the PFR, often their flop check means little to nothing in terms of hand strength, and they're just checking to the raiser or setting up a check raise. When flop checks around, they lead out because they have to start getting value.

You are overthinking the hand, and the player with 99 is making poker much harder than it needs to be.

If he wanted to bluff I would much rather him show up with a flush draw - or something that has equity to the nuts - or maybe even a blocker. This guy was totally clicking buttons, had no idea where he was in the hand, and doesn't even draw to the nuts. 99 is a hand that doesn't need to do this. He got the absolute best river he could of asked for (for bluffing) and it blew up in his face. Ya you should of folded, but you also shouldn't of bet river. He would of been absolutely screwed if you checked, and he tried to bluff bet. He would likely have to overbet, and you would of just labeled him as a maniac and probably not even made a forum post about it.

As played he is just like - i'm gonna bluff this guy off his hand - I don't know what it is he has, but i'm winning this hand. Ends up costing him his stack.

Overall terrible play by both of you but you making that call on the river is literally lighting money on fire

He has many much better hands to call turn with in a 4-way pot. There are actually a decent number of Ax he can have as betting the flop with a hand like A7 makes little sense. Kx often checks flop in a multiway pot.