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Old 07-02-2012, 01:53 PM   #1
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Live 1/2. Flopped Two Pair OOP.

10 handed table. I just seat changed to this table 4 hands ago so I don't have a good read on anyone yet.

Folds to Hijack.
Hijack limps ($200)
Cutoff limps ($600)
Button limps ($150)
Hero (small blind) limps 9 T limps. ($150)
Big blind checks. ($150)

Flop ($10) 9 T J
Hero bets $10.
Big blind calls.
Hijack calls.
Cutoff and Button fold.

Turn ($40) 6
Hero bets $30.
Both players call.

River ($130) 8
Hero checks.
Big blind checks.
Hijack bets $50.
Hero thinks for a bit and folds.
Big blind calls.
Hijack shows Q T
Big blind shows Q J

I feel the flop bet was pretty standard. I wanted to protect my hand / get value from worse. Even though it's a pot size bet, it's still only $10 dollars which won't get people to fold top or middle pair in live 1/2. OTT, I was betting for value but it was also a spot that would be a bet/fold. If anyone flopped the straight or even a higher two pair (maybe), I feel they would raise here now that the flush draw came in and this is a pretty standard spot to raise. OTR, my plan was to check/call almost any card unless I rivered the full house. The 8 was the worst card in the deck to come out, IMO. I felt that a bet/fold would have been spewy with this board. A one liner to a straight and the backdoor flush draw (not as plausible though but could have given someone equity to stay in the hand OTT). This board hits so many preflop limp ranges and twice with the call and overcall. The only hand that I could rule out was KQ because I didn't feel they were that nitty that they would limp with it. They were both probably in their 30s and seemed to have some knowledge of how to play decent poker. Q8-QJ, JT, J9, 87 are all plausible hands here. To me, the river was easily check/fold.

Do you see any other line that I could of / should of taken on this hand? What are your thoughts on bet/folding the turn, if it came to that?
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Old 07-02-2012, 02:53 PM   #2
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Re: Live 1/2. Flopped Two Pair OOP.

Please don't post results in OP, it skews the advice.

Flop bet is good. Turn is a bit big, imo. I'd B/F 20 or 25. Only 78 got there, and on this wet board it will likely raise. 1/2 pot is big enough to make the other draws wrong to call. $30 isn't awful, though. River card is gross. def a c/f.
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Old 07-02-2012, 10:57 PM   #3
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Re: Live 1/2. Flopped Two Pair OOP.

i think your line here is good.. any of the draws got there on the river, so c/f is pretty standard in this spot.. everything else seems fine
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Old 07-02-2012, 11:15 PM   #4
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Re: Live 1/2. Flopped Two Pair OOP.

I have no qualms here. The big turn bet kind of gives your hand away, but at 1/2 live people will call with just the draw anyway so I like betting that big for the value. Easy c/f on river.
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Old 07-02-2012, 11:16 PM   #5
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Re: Live 1/2. Flopped Two Pair OOP.

^ They end up having a pair and a draw, but I think they call with just the Q also.
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Old 07-03-2012, 04:46 AM   #6
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Re: Live 1/2. Flopped Two Pair OOP.

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Please don't post results in OP, it skews the advice.

Flop bet is good. Turn is a bit big, imo. I'd B/F 20 or 25. Only 78 got there, and on this wet board it will likely raise. 1/2 pot is big enough to make the other draws wrong to call. $30 isn't awful, though. River card is gross. def a c/f.
Actually, nothing got there on the turn. 78 was already there.

Everything you did seems pretty standard. I like the large bet on the turn. Charge the draws to get there because your hand is super vulnerable. River is an obvious check/fold. There should be no need to think in that spot.
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Old 07-03-2012, 05:03 AM   #7
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Re: Live 1/2. Flopped Two Pair OOP.

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^ They end up having a pair and a draw, but I think they call with just the Q also.
There are not many if any queens in villians range with out a combo. Aq raises pre, Maybe Kq also. But that makes a straight. Qj Q10 Q9 are all combos, Q8 is a stright. So unless he is playing Q2-Q7 not to many naked queens around to call the turn bet unless they are droolers.
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Old 07-03-2012, 07:23 AM   #8
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Re: Live 1/2. Flopped Two Pair OOP.

nh, don't post results
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Old 07-03-2012, 10:43 AM   #9
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Please don't post results in OP, it skews the advice.

Flop bet is good. Turn is a bit big, imo. I'd B/F 20 or 25. Only 78 got there, and on this wet board it will likely raise. 1/2 pot is big enough to make the other draws wrong to call. $30 isn't awful, though. River card is gross. def a c/f.
Completely agree, no need to bet 30 when 20-25 gives the same information.
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Old 07-03-2012, 11:48 AM   #10
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Re: Live 1/2. Flopped Two Pair OOP.

Gross river. Wp.
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Old 07-03-2012, 05:02 PM   #11
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Re: Live 1/2. Flopped Two Pair OOP.

There's a couple of great reasons to bet $30 as opposed to 20-25.

1. They're calling way more often with worse as opposed to bettre, and this sizing isn't changing the frequency at all.
2. If the first player calls, then the second suddenly has direct pot odds to chase whatever it is he's chasing. I think you win more by getting called by worse than you do when they raise or call with better.
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Old 07-03-2012, 05:04 PM   #12
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Re: Live 1/2. Flopped Two Pair OOP.

Yeah turn is a textbook b/f of $30 for the reasons stated above
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