I think this is a pretty significant leak of mine, and am going to completely remove over-limping/open-limping EP-MP (UTG through MP1 perhaps) sc's and sc2's. I am bleeding money making thin calldowns and being unable to pick pots up with "c/r OTF, pot OTT-type" lines even on rather wet/terrible boards for a naked overpair, in 150bb effective pots, offering resistance to an LP preflop raiser.

In my last couple sessions I have broken even mainly due to the losses sustained from these situations. Was wondering whether anyone else here had made a similar adjustment, and what other, larger leak this might be symptomatic of?

Cheers.

yeah if u r gonna limp thats cool i guess esp at passive tables.. i still dont like to do a lot of it personaly... but limp calling raises, as you have already guessed, is lighting money on fire.

a lot of times, the fact that we dont do that is one our biggest edges v. fish imo

fish limp/call imo.

try mucking all SCs and only playing ATs+/QJ+/22+ and maybe 78-JTs in LP in a 1/2 game. thats it. there is really no reason to play anything else to beat the game.

The trick for me was making a rule that I always come in for a raise 1st or 2nd in if I'm going to play a hand. I know there are styles where good players limp some of their range, but for me this rule improved my game 1000 fold....

Hands like SC and Axs depend so much on fold equity, they do not hit hard very often but hit for semi bluffs a lot. Since semi bluffing often needs postion, if I don't think I will have position, I don't play them from ep.

From mid position 1st or 2nd in it depends on table, if a raise will likely get me the effective btn at least a reasonable % I will raise them otherwise I fold them.

I never just over limp multi way, with these hands, untill I'm at the Co or BTN since now there is a good chance I will have position.

Think about how you expect the hand to play out when making your preflop plans..

I'm guessing this is because lots of LLSNL fish raise much tighter ranges than you think. They overlimp 99, AQ, meaning their raising range is fairly saturated with overpairs.

It goes without saying that you should never try to make a fish fold an overpair.

ty heading out for session now, will do it.

GL.

Don't limp unless you're comfortable with it.
Limping behind (at passive tables only ofc) will boost your winrate by quite a bit imo.
But only once you have your fundamentals down. Play position and solid hands, once you get used to doing that, and have a feel for the table then start trying to incorporate limping.

In early position its generally a bad idea to just open limp sc's. Playing those type of hands requires you to be aggressive with your draws (or hit gin flop haha) and this is much easier to do when you're in later position.

I reserve limping with anything other than small PPs to tables where there are people I'm desperate to play pots with. I think people often fail to distinguish enough between people who are just too loose passive but have some card sense and people who will make huge spastic mistakes in half the hands they are in. If I can limp 78s when they are in the game and not be exploited by other players then I'll do it.

I'm overlimping suited A for 100bb ES, but folding or raising besides that. Thanks all for weighing in...

good idea. never limping again will probably improve your win rate.

+1

Its all about understanding the table dynamics and targeting the right villains. I absolutely love limping SCs in multiway pots with terribad passive villains.

If you have the implied odds, getting 30:1 or better on your money, then this is insanely profitable IF AND ONLY IF:

#1 you're at a passive table that doesn't punish limpers
#2 there are passive players that price in all manners of draws post flop
#3 calling stationy players that chase and don't fold made hands when OBVIOUS draws hit
#4 weak tight players that fold to semibluffs, scare cards, etc
#5 you can distinguish between #3 and #4
#6 limping with hands that play well in multiway pots
#7 limiting your limp range to SCs and SGs (suited gapers) only

If I can find the above table, I love to limp with Axs, 63s, 64s-KQs, and baby pairs.

The reason I love 63, 64, 65 is because when the board makes a low wheel like 5 4 2 you can stack A3, or even better, when the board runs 5 4 3 2, you can stack multiple bottom Ace straights with your 6. I love shoving in that spot and having th efish call and say, "I had the straight, I had to call "

The problem most limp callers face is they limp too much with offsuit garbage. If you add offsuit connectors and gapers in your limp call range, then you will be entering way too many pots. The other problem most limp callers make is that they don't ditch their hands soon enough and peel off too many bets trying to improve their hands.

Lastly, another reason many limp callers aren't profitable is because when they do hit their hands on the turn or river, they go for the good ol check/raise and surprise surprise, villain checks back and they lose all sorts of value.

Add all that up, and THAT is why most EP limpers bleed money.

But if you know how to adhere to #1 - #7, then you can profitably limp from EP.

If the table is short stacked and passive you can limp EP with small pp's but I'd fold SC's

This all worked quite well. Basically took masaraksh preflop standard and dgiharris opening sizing, found myself picking up cbets with a much higher percentage than usual. Many thanks...

For the most part this is bad bad. The only reason to play low suited connectors when you know you will be playing oop is to disguise your range. In low stake poker this is virtually never going to be a consideration.

Don't kid yourself for every big pot you win because hit the rare miracle, you will loose a big pot, because flush over flush occurs, 2 pair gets counterfeited ect. Hell you will bet your flush draws some times not hit and get beaten by the higher flush draw. And in the meantime you will just slowly bleed out..

These hands do not make money without fold equity. These hands flop euqity, second pair, weak draws, good draws a lot. OOP even in passive games unless you incredible at reading hands and opponents, you will not be able to bluff enough to gain the fold equity you need for these hands to become profitable.

Even hands like Axs is generally a leak from early position. Here it might be closer if your sure the table passive and players can't lay down a flush. But it really needs deep stacks and thus plays better for a raise if you must play them.

And don't kid yourself even in passive games, where players only raise JJ+ and AK...if your limping utg 10 handed...someone will have one of those hands over 20% of the time and you will have to fold...