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Old 07-14-2012, 12:44 AM   #1
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Light PF raising

I occasionally see HHs from posters I respect that show extremely light PF raising. My PF raising range is pretty much written in stone (J10+ and 77+). I'm a rock; and will usually fold for hours before i deviate from my gameplan. Maybe once a session I'll thow in a PF open with Axs or a smaller PP (66-), but on the whole I'm comfortable with my usual range and feel its correct given my hand reading abilities (better than most but still in need of improvement as far as I'm concerned).
During my last 2 sessions I was absolutely card dead, getting about 5 or 6 raising opportunities in the course of 6 hours of play. Looking back on these mind numbing sessions I can't help but to think that a better poker player would have been constantly exploiting his positional advantage and punishing his table full of 1/2nl Limpers. But then I also consider that these players are so weak that it's hard to win a pot without a showdown. Any thoughts? Am I constantly wasting positional advantage by not raising a wider PF range? Any specific recommendation for opening up my range when in late position? Or is it not even worth it at these levels?
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Old 07-14-2012, 01:39 AM   #2
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Re: Light PF raising

Typically, if you don't play LAG and aren't comfortable making c-bets and double barrels light or with air then it isn't worth it at this level. You have to be really good at knowing your player/V and when to fire and when to shut down when you raise without the goods.

Most live players are loose/passive and some will fold anything they don't hit to a c-bet on the flop, some will call almost any c-bet and "float" (not a real float as they have to plans of taking the hand away) hoping to hit the turn and THEN fold to any double barrel. You have to figure out who is who and what spots are good. Raising in position and then c-betting and selectively firing a 2nd barrel can be printing money at the right table against the right V's.

An easy way to figure out if you should be doing this is to pay attention to how many hands players actually show down. When they call any 5x raise pre and fold 90% of flops for a 5x bet, you should be raising light in position!

If they showdown or call 2 barrels in every hand they call with pre - value own them.
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Old 07-14-2012, 01:52 AM   #3
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Re: Light PF raising

Sup Lido long time no see. Playing strict ranges can be good but not great. You won't see those big nights unless you get cards. Live poker is too boring to play like that. Stray away from playing your own 2 cards and you will get better as a poker player.

@Muck_Faster has some great advice. But its hard if you're just used to playing your own 2 cards. Learn how to play TAG first. Open up your button range and look to raise light over 3 limpers or less. Once you master that you can play full blown lag and raise light over 5 limpers. Its all about ranging your opponents and exploiting how they put money in bad.

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Old 07-14-2012, 02:16 AM   #4
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Re: Light PF raising

I highly suggest reading

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/17...-lead-1196838/

I never raised light before reading, gave it a try after reading and I found it very profitable
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Old 07-14-2012, 03:07 AM   #5
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Next time you're folding for hrs, pay attention to all the little pots you could be taking down.

I'm pretty tight in early position but depending on who's on my left I'll open my range quite a bit in late.

I played in a game a few weeks ago and a girl 2 to my left had a real bad leak, she would call all of my button raises with atc and fold to my c-bet if she didn't hit. In one hand I took half her stack with 7-2 when I hit 2 pair on the turn.
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Old 07-14-2012, 04:06 AM   #6
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Re: Light PF raising

If every pot is going to showdown like you said, then it's fine to play super tight.
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Old 07-14-2012, 06:18 AM   #7
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Re: Light PF raising

Raising light pf is ok, as long as you have a plan of action. You really need to be comfortable at the table and know your opponents preflop calling ranges and postflop tendencies. A lot of 1/2 players are way too predictable. We raise preflop to really balance out our range against the thinking players. Any smuhck can initiate a raise with ATC. It takes a key professional to figure out when to 3bet without a big hand. 3betting light will gain you the most money in LSNL because of 3 reasons.

1.It gives us the opportunity to pick up money that we believe is dead without even seeing a flop.

2.Even if we do get called, it drastically narrows our opponents ranges down so its easier to play against them postflop because like i said earlier, 1/2 players are too predictable.

3.It helps our image and will give us action on our big hands later!

Heres an example how raising light and 3betting light will get you paid from a hand I played last night:

1/2 NL Holdem

Hero has been very active, raising a lot of pots and being very aggressive postflop. Has 3bet Villain a couple times in the past 2 hours with 89ss and A10o. Important to note that Villain is a very scared player, usually has decent holdings but will not commit to a 3bet without a big pair or AK. Also, I did not 3 bet this hand, but the point is to show how previous aggression can pay off on hands that wouldnt usually make that much.

the hand:

Folds around to Villain (150bb) on button who limps, SB folds, Hero looks down at AA in BB and makes it $16 to go, Villain calls. (He is never calling this bet against anyone else, he usually limp/folds to aggression.)

Flop$31) J46 (Perfect bs flop to cbet as ive been doing with all my hands)

Hero bets $22, Villain calls.

Turn$75) K

Hero bets $48, Villain calls.

River$171) 4

Hero bets $102, Villain takes very little time in calling. Hero shows hand and wins other player at the table requests to see both hands, Villain shows J9.

Point is, if I didnt balance my range and wasnt aggressive in the past, I only make 4$ on this hand instead of getting 3 streets of value especially from this type of opponent. BE MORE AGGRE$$$$$$$$$IVE PEOPLE!!!!!

Edit: ROFL at the faces forgot to space : and (
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