First hand i post. Pretty sure i made a mistake this night.
NL200
Villain is a huge fish (first time at the casino, buy in 75ish). We juts doubled him all in pre flop (we had QQ vs his AK pretty std.) now he has 150bb and we cover him.

We are sb with KK, folds to Villain in the btn who opens to 15 (a lot?)
i 3bet to 70 bb folds, and Villain starts to hollywood, with a smile and laughing.

He then splash the pot and goes allin by throwing all his chips (like in casino royal lol)
so thats like 215 more for Hero to call and we have invest 70 in the pot.

We have a big edge on the table and are grinding since like 2-3 hours and are controlling the table and have a lot of spots to take advantages here.

Do we have to call here?

What do you do?

Folding KK in this spot against a "huge fish" would be insane getting ~1.7to1.
Expect to see AA quite a bit but still enough other random hands to make this a pretty easy call.

i was like i always get vs aces here and whatever man i have an edge why go crazy here and hope for the best.

My biggest mistake i think was 3betting if im folding to a shove.

Like does a call wouldve been better pre maybe?

Never folding once I 3bet...and I'm never not 3betting KK v a BN raise. If you ran into AA, then it was a cooler. It happens. But you shouldn't start to question whether the 3bet was bad or whether you should have folded to his shove. Long term, 3betting and stacking off with KK is an extremely profitable play.

He's happy about his hand, you can likely be 90%+ confident with that read. Is he happy with QQ? AK? Even JJ? Probably a decent percentage of the time. 3 bet is fine,folding is almost always a mistake.

Also it's worth noting that a profitable spot is a profitable spot - you can be taking as many small edges as you want in a cash game. If it didn't work out, rebut. If anything against fish you want to play variance wars. More fun for them, and, there's some hidden ev in them getting more chips (last bit is advice stolen from Phil galfonds bluefire poker vids)

You mean he has $150, not 150BB meaning 300??? If he only has $150 and you 3bet to $70 (which is a little hefty) and he shoves... snap call.

Masta--

Snap call.

Sounds like you ran into AA meh so be it
If you planned to fold to a shove after 3 betting with kings then dont 3 bet but I am always 3 betting kk from a button raise unless there is some read on the guy where i can make more money from him by acting weak and just calling

If you're considering this hard with KK, what would you do with QQ here?

Ofc it must be call with QQ and AK too. Why we 3bet 70 to 15 open?
Not as it could be fold after normal sized 3bet.

You didnt do anything wrong in this hand, besides i think your 3 bet size is too big.


This is a standard stackoff and if you ran into AA its a cooler that happens to every player. That doesent mean that it was wrong to get it in against villains range in this spot.

Your rationale for maybe finding a fold here in the end of your post OP is not valid arguments the way i see it. This is a +EV situation and you should take it everytime, regardless of you having control of the table, high value situations can maybe occure later on and so on.

In addition to all the EV arguments, I would also add that you would be making your self too exploitable by folding. If you fold KK in that spot, that would mean that you're only calling if you have AA. So why 3bet if you're folding all hands besides the nuts to a 4bet shove (especially when you're getting 1.7:1)? And what's going to keep him from making this play if you're almost always going to fold? Seems like a game theory disaster to fold KK here.

well ty !
I was probably getting tired ! i dont know why i leveled myself in folding bleh... he showed JJ lol he sit out after (it was his last hand)

really bad play from me i regret it i wont do it again !

On the spot, with that face he had and all the hollywood i dont know... really bad 3b fold from me LOL i wont do it again i promise

I one time 3bet a guy and he said don't call - i have AA. I said oh ya? He said ya and said look. HE showed me AA and i'm like holy cow- and folded my Ax

I don't think you can fold KK to a 4 bet unless you really really know the player well... (and this isn't the type that you're worried about).