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Old 08-06-2012, 07:41 AM   #16
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Re: KJo pre-flop spot

Someone stove KJ vs atc (I'm on my phone)

Def 3bet to 25-30
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Old 08-06-2012, 08:22 AM   #17
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Someone stove KJ vs atc (I'm on my phone)

Def 3bet to 25-30
KJo vs ATs is 37,7 | 61,9 | 0,4

Not pokerstove but my android app is good enough

My 5p here is fold>raise 3.5x>call
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Old 08-06-2012, 08:50 AM   #18
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Re: KJo pre-flop spot

I'm not sure why everyone's trying to make their iso so huge. V1 has ATC, V2 has a ton of mediocre holdings (the only hand in his range that dominates us is AJ/KQ, and those are both discounted some), and we have position on both of them. We WANT to price them in to see a flop. This will both allow us to get more folds on the flops we miss and allow us to still have some dominated hands in their range to get a couple of streets of value when we hit.

If we iso to $18, then the players who have position on us are going to have to cold call $18 to see a flop with an SPR of less than 1, so lol at them having position on us really.

Raising to $25+ makes them only likely to continue with the hands they like (aka, hands that are doing well against us and are going to be stickier on the flop), and gives us really slim SPR's, which really cuts into our postflop advantage.

EDIT: Also, I don't think this is a raise/fold spot. I think raise>call>fold. It just so happens that once we acknowledge that our hand is far enough ahead of the two villains' ranges to be able to profitably call, then why would we limp behind when we could iso?
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Old 08-06-2012, 08:58 AM   #19
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KJo vs ATs is 37,7 | 61,9 | 0,4

Not pokerstove but my android app is good enough

My 5p here is fold>raise 3.5x>call
Atc = any two cards lol (randomization since V bet blind)
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Old 08-06-2012, 09:40 AM   #20
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Someone stove KJ vs atc (I'm on my phone)

Def 3bet to 25-30
About 60/40, but straight equity doesn't matter PF.
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Old 08-06-2012, 12:29 PM   #21
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Atc = any two cards lol (randomization since V bet blind)
DOH misread srry
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Old 08-06-2012, 02:37 PM   #22
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I raised 24, sizing prior to this hand was 11-13 average. Largest being 16 set by me, I figured 24 gets calls from tag with a fit or fold range. That or fold pre.

Ended up folding around pre.

I think my sizing should have been 26 fwiw.
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Old 08-06-2012, 03:00 PM   #23
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NH, what were results of k9 hand a few weeks ago
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Old 08-06-2012, 03:37 PM   #24
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Re: KJo pre-flop spot

why did you make it obvious that he didn't look?

we have more FE if people think its a raise > 3b
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Old 08-06-2012, 03:38 PM   #25
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why did you make it obvious that he didn't look?

we have more FE if people think its a raise > 3b
I was not sure he even blind raised
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Old 08-06-2012, 03:41 PM   #26
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NH, what were results of k9 hand a few weeks ago
Villain called, showed Q8
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