2/5NL at Mohegan Sun. Villian is old man coffee from this hand....http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/56.../#post51277874
He is kinda nitty IMO and I saw him play a set in 5/10NL where he limp/called 33 in EP vs BB. Flop is 953 I think and he calls BBs flop bet. Turn is a blank and they both check. River is Q or something and BB bets, he raises bottom set and BB nit rolls 99 (lol they both checked turn wtf!! no flush hit and mayyyybe a random weird straight hit but 99 was either stone nuts or damn near since random straight is so impossible for this guy to have UTG there)
I have seen him limp a decent amount but he is usually open raising preflop. He doesn't show down much and is kinda aggressive but I would guess he is straightforward overall, mayyyybe capable of a bluff but I haven't seen it yet. He has open raised some hands like QTsooted pre in MP/LP at this table but I haven't seen him out of line yet postflop really.

Onto the hand. He limps in EP and I raise to $25 with KK in LP. Someone calls (I think button, maybe one of the blinds,....doesn't matter) and this guy calls too. 3 to the flop
T 9 3 with a flush draw
They check to me and I bet $70 and only the EP villian calls, other villian folds. Heads up to the turn
offsuit Jack.
he checks. I think of betting but decide he's so nitty the only worse hand he would call a reasonable bet here is QQ and if he gives me any action to a decent turn bet I am smoked so I check back.
river is another 3...not 3 just offsuit 3....
he checks and I decide checking is too nitty here time to valuetown him and I bet $100 black chip.

He moves all in. I started hand with about $500 and I think he has about the same so it's like another $275ish for me to call.

He plays with cards a bit and sits back in his chair. No other real tells than this.

Call or fold?

What kind of hands have you seen him limp?

I have a tough time folding. The 3 causes you to be ahead of 2 pair hands and makes 33 less likely. With KK you block some straights.

I don't think you really see tight old men check/raise bluff the river much though. If he can be check/raising JT,J9,T9 hands, then that isn't a problem.

I haven't seen him do much limping. I told you earlier about a hand where he limped 33, made a set and played it SUPER slow to river and made a small raise with it. I don't think KQ is a huge part of his range, regardless of whether I hold KK or not...obviously much less likely now that I hold two kings...I think 78 is a lot more likely than KQ because that's open ended on flop. I think all full house PPs are a part of his range and I don't see him going for thin value with a worse hand here other than mayyyyyyybe JT but even that is close because I haven't really gotten out of line much and I dunno if he expects me to call with worse than JT on this board to a c/r AI.

Vs villain, always a fold.

very very good hand description.

ouch. very tough decision.

normally this would be a snap fold, but why in the hell did he check the river to you after you checked the turn behind him? You are giving all indications that you are going to check the river also, so if he has a value hand on the river, he is going to need to bet it if wants to make any money.

I still think it is a fold though. it is so rare to see C/shove bluffs in poker on the river. And I don't think I have ever seen a nit do it in thousands of hours of poker.

so fold.

Hero, you don't provide any info on how you have been playing, so him checking twice to you with the nuts may be reasonable if he views you as overaggressive.

Against this kind of V, my alarm bells would be going off as soon as he calls the flop, so I don't think there is anything wrong with checking this down. Going for thin value against a nit can't be profitable so let's exploit this guy by not giving him any $$ when most players should of been able to get our whole stack.

if you think checking river with KK is +EV then I would have to say that you're crazy

I value bet river, fold to raise.

If he's a real OMC nit, rivers a clear fold.

bet the turn to get value on AKcc type hands, Tx, JJ & QQ

B/F on river is perfect here. There are very few people who are capable of CRai as a bluff here and I think his 2 pair hands that you beat would just call your bet. Dont think I would play this hand any different than you did if you folded river. Like the check back on the turn as his limping range from EP is going to be pretty PP heavy and he probably doesnt have too many draws. Plus we get put in a terrible spot if he C/R the turn.

Bet turn. Ap turbo fold river

ok thanks guys, as the spoiler said I folded to the river c/r but just wanted to see how people think about my line throughout the whole hand.

As played, I think bf the river is not bad but really don't like the turn check very much

Villain might have inadvertently bluffed with a worse hand because he doesn't realize you are so strong

Well played. I probably bet/fold the turn with a 3-straight and 2-flush on the board. I don't expect villain to semi-bluff c/r the turn at all. I don't think a check is bad though.

I'd make a slightly smaller flop bet. I think ~$50 is fine to get value from draws without bloating a pot that may get really ugly by the river. The flop is pretty good for villain's ranges and we should expect at least one call.

I see some reasons for betting the turn but it puts us in an awkward spot if he check raises, especially a check-minraise if we bet like 1/2 pot because those are enticing odds, but we could even be drawing very thin if he has us beat on turn. I personally thought this flop is somewhat dry in terms of us being beat at the moment but certainly draw heavy which is why I lean towards a larger value bet on flop to charge draws the maximum.

Betting the turn gets a lot more value from his range than betting the river. Once we get to the river the only hands that call us that we beat are JJ-QQ and we lose to AA, TT, 99, 33 so betting the river is flipping a coin versus his range.