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10-04-2015 , 03:23 PM
It’s a weird 1-2 table. Lots of folding pre to $8-$12 bets that take it without a flop, lots of respect given to c-bets. I haven’t been getting great cards, but I’ve been raising preflop with cards like suited 1-gappers or small pairs and taking it down either uncontested or with a c-bet, so I’m up.

Villain: A few hands earlier he caught me three-barrel bluffing with a suited 1-gapper that totally missed. I read weakness so I kept on with my bluff, but he called me down with a pair of 8s on a board that only had one overcard. On the river I faked a small value bet; if I bet bigger, he may have folded. My read on him is that he’s sticky but not dumb. He’s probably 35, overweight, baseball hat, white.

OTTH:

UTG raises to 12, UTG + 1 calls, to me in MP. Neither villain relevant later in the hand; suffice it to say that neither is a donkey or a whale or a fish.

This is a tight-ish table by the standards of 1-2; I respect the UTG raise and the call.

With JJ I decide to just call and see what happens.

Villain in SB calls.

4 to the flop; $50 in the pot prerake, $43 post rake. (Holy mother of mercy that’s a lot taken out of the pot. But I digress.)

Flop is AKQ, two suited.

Villain in SB bets out 25. Two folds and it comes to me.

Villain has about 250 behind; I cover.

I think villain has two pair. I don't think villain hit Broadway because 1: I have two Jacks; 2: I think he checks Broadway. I think he's too smart to bet out here with a super wet board and three players behind him without a strong hand. I think he raises AA and KK pre, and probably QQ. Hence, two pair: KQ or AQ are the strongest possibilities.

Easy fold?
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10-04-2015 , 03:34 PM
Is the ace of the flush suit on board? If so, I would probably call.
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10-04-2015 , 03:39 PM
How could you be considering anything other than folding? Is this a troll?
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10-04-2015 , 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by JamesFrancis
I’ve been raising preflop with cards like suited 1-gappers or small pairs and taking it down either uncontested or with a c-bet
good plan

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Villain: A few hands earlier he caught me three-barrel bluffing with a suited 1-gapper that totally missed.
don't squander your reputation or your chips doing stuff like this. If you perceive people are starting to float your flop bets, yes one approach is to fire twice. But not just randomly, pick your spots. This will mean cbetting the flop a bit less, but in exchange for that you will find opportunities to make people truly miserable OTT. If all villain has to decide is, whether you are on air or a monster, it makes things too easy. (Also, that is a zero-expectation game, not quite as bad as craps but close.) Make him wonder if your hand is growing stronger with each street, and make sure he's right. Resolve to only bet the flop if there's a halfway decent chance you will bet the turn also. And feel good about it.*

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With JJ I decide to just call and see what happens.
Cool. Your read on UTG does matter, but assuming he's not on a bunch of trash, and especially if stacks are short, good plan. Basically set-mining although JJ will make a hand worth continuing with sometimes even if you don't spike.

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Flop is AKQ, two suited.

Villain in SB bets out 25. Two folds and it comes to me.

Easy fold?
I tend to think of donk bets as a raise or fold situation. It's worth stopping to think about calling, you have a gutshot and if you have a 3-flush (ie two ways to win) it's worth a look. Depends on how sticky OP is with 1- and 2-pair hands and how deep he is. I tend not to get involved with that kind of tomfoolery unless effective stack sizes are really deep, like 200bb, and you have to have the right rep, basically your opponents need to be on absolute monkey-tilt to pull this off. If they don't fear you -- and maybe they don't after that abortion of a hand previously -- don't go there. Which, if you met criteria to continue, would justify a raise all by itself, just to prove a point.

But you don't, so don't do it.

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*See Miller's "1%" for a detailed discussion of this concept. Not saying you should play optimally, whatever that is. But maybe a tad more optimally than you are.

Last edited by AbqDave; 10-04-2015 at 04:21 PM.
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10-04-2015 , 04:27 PM
Easy fold. Especially V is suspect of your play already. 1/2 is mostly about playing straight forward and value betting the crap out of people, trying to get fancy with JJ and get someone to fold on an AKQ 2 suited board after betting into 3 people, 1 of which is a PFR is a recipe for disaster.
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10-04-2015 , 04:43 PM
Let's assume V is not on a flush draw and also assume that J with,d be a good card for your hand. That would give you 6 outs to improve.
If you could stack V when you hit the turn, implied odds might make this a call. But I don't think you can stack V.
You won't get paid enough when you hit to make this a good call. Combine that with the fact that if V is on a pair with a flush draw, you might have fewer outs and if V is on a pair with a T kicker, your trips outs are in trouble.

I think this is a pretty clear fold. Stacks aren't deep enough to where you can get paid enough to chase here.
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10-04-2015 , 04:46 PM
Snap fold.
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