1/2 Live, 100 BB. I sit down wake up to a nice 40 pot. Comes around a couple times and I got QQ UTG. I limp and folds around until player bumps to 15 and few folds and another call, I'm last to act I kick it up to $44. Call, Call I get from both. I knew immediately before I got the callers that wasn't a good enough size at all.
Anyway onto the flop.. 9 7 4, two clubs. 1st to act goes $60, I take a minute and jam all in other guy folds and he snap calls. He flops a set of 7's. Regardless if I call the 60, it still gets frothy post-flop. And If I just call the $15 and I defiantly can get away and not lose my whole stack.

Just need a little insight and overview. Appreciate your time guys

Generally limp/raise with QQ is a bad idea. Other then that it looks fine. $44 is a perfectly good size with a $200 stack, it's way over the point where villains can set mine profitably unless they are both way deeper then you. And your never getting away from your hand on that flop without a lot of specific history with villain.

This is bog standard variance where your opponent played badly but got lucky and won anyways.

What QuadJ wrote. I hate the limp/re-raise, but it worked -- they called with bad odds. Unfortunately, they got lucky.

I limp raise with those hands in very rare situations. There are some people coming to my casino, very rarely, if they come they come with about 600 to 1500$ and are willing to gamble it away, some nice girls also[haha]. At this table when I was new at live poker I badly adjusted, I played too many hands and hoping to flop strong and stack them off[they stack off with every draw, every Top Pair, no kicker]. They raise pretty much every hand preflop and pretty much everybody calls at this table, in 3 hours there were no pot at the flop without 100$ in it. Like I stated I played wrong against them, my new tactic at this table is just that what an other regular did at the same time: listen music and wait for TT+, AJ+, limp, and reraise huge. They even recognized that this one Regular just played a few few hands and they didnt care, they called his huge reraise and just stacked off. At other tables I dont see a reason to limp/call or limp/reraise. Only Limp/reraise if you know that you will get 100% call from your reraise or that someone will 100% raise or near to 100%.

Do you have any reads or history with V?


1-Don't ever limp QQ unless you are 100000% sure you're gonna get raised behind. You're missing a ton of value by not open raising.

2-3 bet size should be in the $60ish range. Again loosing value if you don't raise.

If you can tell that Villain flopped a set on that board, with no history or reads on the V, more power to you. (I get felted) All your problems here revolve around your preflop decisions.

So this is literally the 4th hand I played.. The 1st hand I wake up 77s over pair the flop lay $24 and take it down. Always a great feeling sitting down and racking in the 1st pot. But I think that might've played a role into further hands cause now I got them thinking "awe man, we're going to have this kid pushing us around the whole night." But 10-20$ raises pre flop is just typical, so I defiantly knew it was going to come back to me. Totally agree that it should of been 60+.

But run through some scenarios, If I open raise I would make it probably $17-22, and certainly I get those two callers. And they would just have incentive to hit back door clubs if there was two clubs out there and maybe they got 2 overs A10+ in there range with the call.

Back to the opening raise, if I get JJ+ and I make it $12 ill get 5 callers, I make it $20+ everyone folds. Generally its tight play for most part, and some of the older guys are likely to limp and wait for that spot sort of like I did.

If this guy is calling $44 with 77's, he's saying I have to hit a set here to win this (it just so happens, he does) He misses, I take down down like 100+ pot, he hits I get felted. I raise $60 pre flop, get no callers and take down $30+..

So many ways to look at this, thanks to all for you perspectives and time, I appreciate it!

50 is good

Personally not a fan of the limp/raise. In my experience playing 1/2, the limp/raise play always means a monster hand and polarizes your range accordingly. Knowing this, I'd likely assume I was beat when V lead on the flop given no other information/history on V.

If you are UG1 and have JJs or QQs how are you acting under the gun? When I play 1/2 it just seems like a $17 bet pre flop is good enough for 5 callers and mere difference of betting over $20+ is like a auto fold for everyone. Unless they 10s,JJ,QQ,KK,AA, A9-AK, maybe suited KJ and QJ. So even if you get KK dealt under the gun you don't want someone calling you with A8 but someone will for under $20. If I limp raise $60+ it seems it would've been the best play for that scenario, this guy just happened to have a decent amount of chips in front of him and he said to himself "77s, 29 bucks more? If I call I need to hit a set to win." So I'm going to take the experience at call it bad sizing on my part, you gotta learn from mistakes. But run through some scenarios if you are dealt JJs or better and are UG1, Button, or BB. Thanks guys

You can't possible know that 3 hands later.

How did you play 77's? Did you raise pre or limp? What pos. were you in?



Yep. Here's an idea I read from gobbledegeek. Say you raise to $15 and get 4 callers. Next time make the raise $18. If you still get 3 callers, make the raise $21 or $22. (you get the idea) The goal is to make the raise big enough to where you're only going up against 1 or 2 players.


Not really following you here.

If you have a player willing to call with 2 overs to the board when you have a big over pair, you should be trying not to tip the table over with your giant boner. THAT'S WHERE YOU MAKE YOUR MONEY!!!!! From idiots like that.

That's where you have to find the sweet spot. If $15 goes 5 ways, and $20 gets folds, how big would you go then?

1-It's already been said by others that the V made a mistake by calling without the correct implied odds. He's only gonna hit his set 12% of the time. That means 88% of the time he's blowing $44. ($60 if it's me) That is a SH_T LOAD of money over the long run.

2-I find nothing wrong with adding 15% to your stack uncontested.


1- Then it sounds like the max limit to raise is $19. DO IT!!!

2- You ABSOLUTELY want to get a call from A8 all day, every day. Get poker stove and run KK vs A8. Actually, run a range of 1010+, AQ+, A10s+ VS. a 22% range from a v. (that's about what A8 falls into) Here I did it for you. You have 65% - 34.9% equity advantage.

Look at it this way. In a range vs range scenario, you would win $19 at almost a 2 to 1 clip. now average that over 1000 hands, or 10,000 hands.


It's not as much what specific hands you have or where you have it. (IMO) It's more about what your opening (raising) or 3 betting RANGE is in specific positions compared to your opponent's calling or raising range. If you have a tighter opening range than the calling range of your opponent, then in the long run, you should come out with more money. (all things being equal of course)

grunch:

Don't give results.

preflop: Bad all the way around. Limp raising QQ without many reads is terrible. The sizing was really terrible, but you already mentioned that.

flop: SPR is so low that it doesn't matter what they have. You need to get all in. It's your own fault for not playing pre flop correctly.