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Old 05-17-2017, 09:03 PM   #1
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Huge, late night bloated 2/5 pot.

Lost a good amount this hand but dont think I played it too badly. Looking for comments.

Live 2/5 game playing more like a 5/10 game. Lots of straddles, huge opens getting called all over the place, etc. No one at this table seems at all decent. Im pretty new to the table but the gambly atmosphere is impossible to miss.

I raise to 15 utg-1 with A10dd. Looking to get called by as many players as possible.

1 call and an older gambly looking asian guy 3bets to 40. I can pretty safely put him on AA or KK here, once in a while AK or QQ but thats really it. Next guy in calls and 4 other people call cold, including the big blind. I and one other guy call and off we go, 6 handed.

Flop comes A79ccd. Checks to pre flop raiser who looks pained and checks kind of hard. 90% sure he has KK here and MAYBE AA, but Id find out quickly if that were the case.

One of the limpers bets half the pot and the big blind calls, I call and the pre flop raiser asian guys calls. I'm looking to improve here but could easily be ahead.

Turn pairs the 7 (no club or diamond) and the big blind leads out less than half the pot. He was older white guy really trying to play good. I call and the gambly asian guy again looks angry and calls.

River is a 10c. Big blind checks and I decide to go for value. I know now Im 100% ahead of the asian guy and also know that he'll probably call in this big pot. I bet 140, which I think was close to half the pot. Think this should have been like 350, 40, or a check though.

Asian gambly guy anger calls and now the big blind tanks forever...


What do you think he did? If you think he called, what do you think he and the other guy had?

Also what do you guys think of my play?
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Old 05-17-2017, 09:56 PM   #2
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Re: Huge, late night bloated 2/5 pot.

Turn is an easy fold.


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Old 05-17-2017, 11:37 PM   #3
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Re: Huge, late night bloated 2/5 pot.

crazy wild game and you open to 3x and get 3b to 40? sounds like every garbage 2/5 nl game ever
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Old 05-17-2017, 11:54 PM   #4
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Re: Huge, late night bloated 2/5 pot.

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crazy wild game and you open to 3x and get 3b to 40? sounds like every garbage 2/5 nl game ever
I laughed at the "I raise 15 with ATdd" part after the long preamble about how it was playing huge/like 5/10/massive straddles etc lol.
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Old 05-18-2017, 02:12 AM   #5
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Ya this^
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Old 05-18-2017, 06:40 AM   #6
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Re: Huge, late night bloated 2/5 pot.

240 in the pot preflop though, thats more than good.
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Old 05-18-2017, 07:32 AM   #7
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Re: Huge, late night bloated 2/5 pot.

Yikes. Fold pre.

Also, your bet sizes/hand history seems off so its really hard to comment on anything:
Pre flop -- 6 players put in 40 = $240 pot
Flop -- half pot bet ($120) that gets called by 4 players ($500) = $740 pot
Turn -- less than half pot bet (just say $200 to 300) and 2 calls = $1340 to 1640 pot.
River -- You bet $140 (and think this is close to half pot --- what?)

Ignoring bet size issues, the most glaring thing to reconsider is the thought process of opening AT oop as a new player for a small amount, "because you want to get a bunch of calls." Might want to spend some time examining that thought process. Why does doing this make sense to you? Should it? How is it profitable?

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Old 05-18-2017, 07:38 AM   #8
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Re: Huge, late night bloated 2/5 pot.

I have one question really. If (regarding to you) we can put him easily on KK/AA, or AK/QQ once in a blue moon, what the hell are we doing in this pot calling his 3 bet with A10?
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Old 05-18-2017, 10:24 AM   #9
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Re: Huge, late night bloated 2/5 pot.

I don't mind the 15 pre w/ ATdd, but I'm an idiot who's trying to get to as many flops as I can as cheaply as possible with a hand like ATdd. Probably would have been better to limp/call.

When I play with a "gambly looking Asian guy" it's always someone who's loose as goose and would get his 3 bet called by six people. Not someone who is definitely on AA or KK. That suggests a total tightwad. Can't believe there's a 2/5 game where THAT guy's 3 bet is called in six spots pre.

So even if he's the tightest gambly looking Asian guy ever, I understand why you called his bet with five other people. Pot odds, etc

There's $240 in the pot at the flop, so a half-sized pot bet there is $120. I have a hard time calling that on the flop given the number of opponents.

Nonetheless FOUR of you call that bet, making for a $720 pot to the turn.

So a less than half-pot turn bet by the BB ... $200? $250? Now for sure you should run the other way. But you call that bet along with GLAG. So the pot's at ... $1300?

And you're betting $140 into $1300 on the river?? Do I have this right???
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Old 05-18-2017, 10:38 AM   #10
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Re: Huge, late night bloated 2/5 pot.

And what are the stack sizes?
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Old 05-19-2017, 01:26 PM   #11
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I forgot every single detail but the stacks were all deep. Raising smallish UTG looking to get a bunch of callers because my hand makes a couple nut hands and these guys are all deep and haven't folded a flush in their life? I dont think thats so crazy.

And we're calling his 3bet even though we can put him on AA/KK/QQ because like 20 other people called.

Im really looking to make a flush here obviously but ended up being ahead on the flop. Think I had to fold the turn though. Not sure if I like my river bet or not...once the BB checked I didnt think he had a 7.
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Old 05-19-2017, 01:28 PM   #12
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crazy wild game and you open to 3x and get 3b to 40? sounds like every garbage 2/5 nl game ever
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I laughed at the "I raise 15 with ATdd" part after the long preamble about how it was playing huge/like 5/10/massive straddles etc lol.
lol i know omg right?? 7 or 8 ways to the flop for 40 bucks each...what ****ty game lol **** this guy!
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Old 05-19-2017, 01:42 PM   #13
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Re: Huge, late night bloated 2/5 pot.

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crazy wild game and you open to 3x and get 3b to 40? sounds like every garbage 2/5 nl game ever
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I laughed at the "I raise 15 with ATdd" part after the long preamble about how it was playing huge/like 5/10/massive straddles etc lol.
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lol i know omg right?? 7 or 8 ways to the flop for 40 bucks each...what ****ty game lol **** this guy!
Well responding like that makes you like a just graduated college kid thinking he is hot ****. This is the internet he was just ribbing you. Besides you opened the post all dramatic and you 3x on this supposed wild table.

onto the post.

If you safely put him on that nutted of a range, he is more of an old man nit. Regardless preflop call is fine.

Effective stacks would be helpful info. Pot is 240 and when it comes to you, you're getting 4:1 on a call right? but I'm a little worried to bigger aces. Since none of the other two after the PFR didn't raise I'd comfortably feel ahead.

But then on the turn, instead of the PFR leading, its the guy who called on the flop? I'm folding turn.
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Old 05-19-2017, 02:18 PM   #14
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Re: Huge, late night bloated 2/5 pot.

This hand history is riveting.

PS: Don't start off your ops with, "Lost a good amount this hand." Since this is such an exciting hand - huge opens, gambly atmosphere and all - we'd prefer to be left in suspense as to what the results were. We want to be rooting for you to win, Op, but how can we when you already said you lost?

PSS/Question: In your opinion, do most gambly Asians always have KK or AA when they 2.7x your 3x opens? I guess it's the KK part of their range that's gambly?
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Old 05-19-2017, 02:47 PM   #15
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Re: Huge, late night bloated 2/5 pot.

based on hand history, bets/action, thinking You bet $140 (and think this is close to half pot --- what?) on the river, calling when the board pairs the turn.. we're trolling here right?

what about that flop makes you think you're good here? no flush draw, weak kicker (relatively speaking in regards to action/asian guy you think possibly as AA or AK).

hard to say what these guys had but I'd be shock if you were ahead prior to getting a ten on the river.

not trying to be a hater and I hope you scooped the pot but probably try to avoid this in the future as you're going to lose a ton more money in the long run.. this is honestly something that would be seen at a 1/2 limit game.
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Old 05-19-2017, 10:51 PM   #16
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Well responding like that makes you like a just graduated college kid thinking he is hot ****. This is the internet he was just ribbing you. Besides you opened the post all dramatic and you 3x on this supposed wild table.

onto the post.

If you safely put him on that nutted of a range, he is more of an old man nit. Regardless preflop call is fine.

Effective stacks would be helpful info. Pot is 240 and when it comes to you, you're getting 4:1 on a call right? but I'm a little worried to bigger aces. Since none of the other two after the PFR didn't raise I'd comfortably feel ahead.

But then on the turn, instead of the PFR leading, its the guy who called on the flop? I'm folding turn.
Yea I agree, its gotta be a turn fold. I dont think its an insta fold though, this was one of those live, deep, late night games where ranges are like wide open. I know I messed up a lot of the stack and bet sizes, I couldnt remember exactly. I just know everyone was deep and most of the bets were half pot-ish.


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This hand history is riveting.

PS: Don't start off your ops with, "Lost a good amount this hand." Since this is such an exciting hand - huge opens, gambly atmosphere and all - we'd prefer to be left in suspense as to what the results were. We want to be rooting for you to win, Op, but how can we when you already said you lost?

PSS/Question: In your opinion, do most gambly Asians always have KK or AA when they 2.7x your 3x opens? I guess it's the KK part of their range that's gambly?

True about the I lost money part, youre right. Im new to posting hands.

I should have been more clear; "gambly asian", to me at least, is a guy who calls pre flop raises with a huuuuge range but very very rarely 3 bets and if they do, its like one of 3 or 4 hands. That was my read on this guy anyway.

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based on hand history, bets/action, thinking You bet $140 (and think this is close to half pot --- what?) on the river, calling when the board pairs the turn.. we're trolling here right?

what about that flop makes you think you're good here? no flush draw, weak kicker (relatively speaking in regards to action/asian guy you think possibly as AA or AK).

hard to say what these guys had but I'd be shock if you were ahead prior to getting a ten on the river.

not trying to be a hater and I hope you scooped the pot but probably try to avoid this in the future as you're going to lose a ton more money in the long run.. this is honestly something that would be seen at a 1/2 limit game.

I was ahead on the flop and considering the pot odds I was getting it was an easy call. Once the pre flop raiser anger checks I can put him on almost exactly KK.

Im a long term winner, mostly 20/40 limit but I win at mid stakes no limit too. This place especially is a joke.

Im not trying to be like an internet tough guy either but Id play you heads up for whatever you want. If im so bad you gotta snap up this offer, no?



Thanks for the replies, even the rude ones. Certainly not the best hand I ever played and next time ill be sure to remember bet and stacks sizes better.



If anyone cares....I bet I guess like 1/3, or 1/4 of the pot on the river (I thought it was closer to half pot but now that I think about it, it was definitely less). The gambly asian pre flop raiser guy goes hard into the tank and Im 100% sure I have him beat now.

He finally rage calls and now the BB tanks! And tanks and tanks. Finally calls and I quickly roll over A10 and say "you have a 7 dont you?" Asian guy mucks quick and the BB slams 67o on the table. I say what took you so long sort of under my breath and he pulls out a gun and shoots me 3 times in the back of head. Luckily I survived though.
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Old 05-20-2017, 06:36 AM   #17
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I forgot every single detail but the stacks were all deep. Raising smallish UTG looking to get a bunch of callers because my hand makes a couple nut hands and these guys are all deep and haven't folded a flush in their life? I dont think thats so crazy..
Were you sober during the hand? Also why not raise bigger to get a heads up or three way pot where you can actually bluff?
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Old 05-20-2017, 07:42 AM   #18
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Huge, late night bloated 2/5 pot.

You played this wrong on every street.
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Old 05-20-2017, 08:53 AM   #19
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Im not trying to be like an internet tough guy either but Id play you heads up for whatever you want. If im so bad you gotta snap up this offer, no?

I think I figured out whats going on this thread. TC posts hand histories like a fish to try to get people to react like we did and then challenges us to heads up games for any stakes. Hes probably actually an online HU wizard just trying to get action from LLS regs and this is his hustle. Not fooling me guy.
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Old 05-20-2017, 02:51 PM   #20
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He finally rage calls and now the BB tanks! And tanks and tanks. Finally calls and I quickly roll over A10 and say "you have a 7 dont you?" Asian guy mucks quick and the BB slams 67o on the table. I say what took you so long sort of under my breath and he pulls out a gun and shoots me 3 times in the back of head. Luckily I survived though.
There's a lesson in there somewhere.
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Old 05-20-2017, 08:41 PM   #21
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Were you sober during the hand? Also why not raise bigger to get a heads up or three way pot where you can actually bluff?
Do you remember every bet size every hand? I wasnt planing on posting it, just thought of it while at work and figured I would. And I dont know what youre talking about raising, only time I raised was pre flop. If thats what youre talking about, its true I almost certainly should have made it like 25. But I would have been absolutely fine with 6 or 7 callers. Im not going broke with a naked ace (even though I almost did exactly that lol).

I know I played it poorly, thats why I posted it. I think the only REAL mistake I made though was the turn call. Pre flop you can say I should have raised bigger, sure, but OOP in these sort of games, if I have a hand I want to play but dont want to invest too heavily in (like this hand, maybe KJ suited, KQ and some 78suited type hands), Ill often put out a smallish raise. Almost no one is 3betting light at this table (this isnt at a casino btw) and they will call just about anything at 15. At 20, 25 people will start folding their A4 off and J7s. And its not like the little 3 betting is part of some balanced strategy; they still always 3bet AA and KK. So when no one does, I can safely eliminate those hands.

I was getting big odds on the flop and was ahead anyway so the flop is obv fine. Then when I 'get there' on the river AND the bb checks, I heavily discounted any 7's in his hand, and I was never afraid of the 3bettors hand. So I dont think the river bet there is terrible although maybe its.

But def played it bad overall. Id like to have a discussion about it but the way some of you guys post is kind of odd. If I had to bet on the median age in this forum I would bet 17 I think.
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Old 05-20-2017, 08:59 PM   #22
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You're new to the table and get 3bet by an asian gambler and put him exclusively on AA/KK? How does that compute
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Old 05-20-2017, 09:06 PM   #23
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Fold pre. A10 is too loose of an open utg in a loose call happy game... too loose in most games. Why on earth do you want to go multiway with A10? Fold the turn tough to put him on a hand that youre beating. As played river bet is fine.
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You're new to the table and get 3bet by an asian gambler and put him exclusively on AA/KK? How does that compute
Oh I thought I explained that pretty clearly above. In my experience, these older asian gambly dudes generally call pre flop with a way open range and then will get a little whacky after the flop. They very rarely 3bet though, they just want to see flops. BUT they DO 3bet the very top of their range.


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Fold pre. A10 is too loose of an open utg in a loose call happy game... too loose in most games. Why on earth do you want to go multiway with A10? Fold the turn tough to put him on a hand that youre beating. As played river bet is fine.

Nah I would never fold this hand in an unopened pot in this game. You know Im suited right? Really just looking to make a flush and stack someone.
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Old 05-21-2017, 02:29 AM   #25
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Ooookay. I'm out. Gl gl.
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