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08-15-2017 , 05:35 AM
9 handed

Villain is a half decent player but can get involved with some speculative hands at times.

OTTH

Preflop
7 limps
SB checks
Hero BB (£280) raises to £16 w/ AQ
Villain BU calls £16

Flop (£39) A22
Hero bets £30, Villain calls £30.

Turn (£99) 5
Hero??

I feel like I encounter this type of situation a lot and am uncertain what the best play is. Do I continue to go for value against possible Ax's, 33-88? Do I pot control against possible flushes?

Spoiler:
Hero bets £45, Villain calls £45.

River (£189) 3
Hero checks, Villain Checks.

Villain shows T8 and wins £189.
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08-15-2017 , 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by touchmyflop
9 handed
OTTH

Preflop
7 limps
SB checks
Hero BB (£280) raises to £16 w/ AQ
Villain BU calls £16

Flop (£39) A22
Hero bets £30, Villain calls £30.
Turn (£99) 5
Hero??

I feel like I encounter this type of situation a lot and am uncertain what the best play is. Do I continue to go for value against possible Ax's, 33-88? Do I pot control against possible flushes?

Hero bets £45, Villain calls £45.
River (£189) 3
Hero checks, Villain Checks.
Villain shows T8 and wins £189.

Why bet the turn? - That's a paired board and a flush already on the felt. You got a small hand.

After you bet the flop and villain calls almost a pot size bet, you got to suspect a flash draw or a made hand. You not gonna get value of 33-88 or a weak Ace from two streets of betting because they will be gone on the flop. Yes, pot control against a possible flush but when the flop bet was called and the flush has arrived OTT you don't pay him off. If you continue to bet and get called into the flush or call his bets you make his flop call correct for your pot size bet OTF. If the flush card comes down OTT and he's not getting paid it’s a totally different story because his call OTF was a mistake and that possibility of making a flush and the odds been totally swing upside down and in the tube by you not paying him off,...., etc ...the math of the hand goes down the toilet because he's not getting rewarded for the price he paid to draw. Plus you got to think now about the paired board. Flop bet was OK, but that's about it ..

I hope I make myself clear. It's a wtf concept to pinpoint the brain into the right direction but if you workout the math with pencil and paper you will understand what I'm talking about. Try to do that.
My head is spinning from so many cards, hands and situations where I got to look for plays to knock villains down. Another day, another dollar earned. Not easy to make an honest buck at cards.

Last edited by outdonked; 08-15-2017 at 07:07 AM.
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08-15-2017 , 07:26 AM
I like your line, pre seems a bit large but if game dynamics justify it I'm fine with it and if V cold calls T9s I'd say they do. Flop is good, the majority of his calling range will be Ax so I think we can bet the turn again for value as he shouldn't have a huge amount of flush combos. I would size up slightly though and obviously am folding to a raise without reason to believe V is capable of doing it as a bluff which is rare at llsnl.

Also, try to avoid posting the results of the hand in the OP, it can lead to biased feedback.
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08-16-2017 , 12:28 PM
wp. Pre would be 5x for 1 iso OOP + 7 more limpers + a few more blinds 'cause it's LLSNL. Flop sizing is good with a strong A where V probably can't have a 2 except 2 combos of A2s. Half pot on turn is good since the 5h improves a decent chunk of his range, but you are still getting called by worse. River is c/f obv.
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08-16-2017 , 12:51 PM
The way I'm looking at situation developing here is that I will raise about 15% of eff to price out pairs and suited connectors to outdraw profitably and if they are willing to call that inflated price I'm not gonna pay them off if there's 2+ opponents against me. One of them may have hit OTT the draw if one was possible. But AK/AQ/KQ,AA/KK/QQ/JJ/TT/99/88/A5s/T9s and all suited Broadways (JTs up to KQs) can go for 15% eff as a 2! pre. Of course you also play and must play all pocket pairs too 22+ to 77 depending on situation and stacks..., you know that .. Right? All hands that flop or draw to the nuts or near the nuts. This is my general plan. Now, all depends here and there, but ..., what can I say more? .. that's the way I do.

If you like to have a wide-light rage upfront you better have the same light-wide range in the back too, so monkeys cannot put you accurately on some range. You got to create confusion in their minds. On the other hand, if you want to open tight upfront you better off be also tight in the back in HJ, C/O and BTN so you get called by dominated trash and clean them up. Is just like reverse psychology.., you know.. you got to wtf with their FoS brains and short circuit perception (LOL). I'm not playing too many dominated hands like AJo/ATo/KTo,QTo in raised pots. Me personally I'm very rarely doing that but I see lots of ocean-fish calling raised pots with those hands, .. and losing because is almost inevitable unless they get very very lucky and flop 2P that is out of this world like 2%. If we both flop the common card I'm gonna eat them alive with hot sauce and mustard. (If you don't believe me, just ask Lolita and she's gonna tell you that very rarely I eat when I get home .., may be some blueberry muffins from her .. (LOL) ..and some .. )

With $230 eff I would make a 2! pre of $35-$40 and if I don't get called I'm going to the next hand and start all over like nothing has happen. I know you want to get action but sometime we cannot have it both way. .., You know what I'm talking about. Right?

Note: Be relaxed, pretend nothing spectacular it's happening and get to the next hand. Everything works in autopilot mode. Almost all victims are made by God with the same mold. .., you know .. Get the baseline behavior of couple of them and play their tendencies.

Last edited by outdonked; 08-16-2017 at 01:20 PM.
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