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Old 06-23-2012, 02:22 PM   #1
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how do you adjust to this type of opponent?

So I'm playing and there is a young guy running over the table. He is raising literally every hand pre. He calls literally every flop bet. He then gets extremely aggressive on turn and river and proudly shows his bluffs. He makes it virtually impossible to isolate anyone. I've never seen anything like it. He bleeds a ton of chips but replenished his stack when he successfully bluffs at a large pot.
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Old 06-23-2012, 02:31 PM   #2
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Re: how do you adjust to this type of opponent?

ABC, TAG poker, value raise/bet this guy with your good hands and hope you run good when you get into a pot with him.

Typically when I get into a big pot with a player like this and I have JJ lets say, due to his turn and river bluffs I will likely call him down ALMOST no matter how the board runs out since I am ahead of him most of the time with JJ. It is tough when the A comes on the river in these big pots and he fires big, but you have to realize that he is going to bluff the A 100% of the time and have it a small percentage and you will pay him off.
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Old 06-23-2012, 02:42 PM   #3
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That's essentially what I did, but I started to overthink stuff based on the wide range he could have. What was weird was that he clearly paid no attention to odds nor his opponents. He took a big chunk of my stack when his k3 flushed against my set. I limped, he led. I check called flop with set. I check raised all in on the turn, he stacked off with non nut flush draw and hit it. We were both fairly deep. He ultimately stacked me when I went all in pre with aces. He snap called with pocket rights, didn't even think about it. As luck would have it he made a set. I havent figures out yet how to play with people like this at my table.
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Old 06-23-2012, 03:02 PM   #4
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Re: how do you adjust to this type of opponent?

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ABC, TAG poker, value raise/bet this guy with your good hands and hope you run good when you get into a pot with him.

Typically when I get into a big pot with a player like this and I have JJ lets say, due to his turn and river bluffs I will likely call him down ALMOST no matter how the board runs out since I am ahead of him most of the time with JJ. It is tough when the A comes on the river in these big pots and he fires big, but you have to realize that he is going to bluff the A 100% of the time and have it a small percentage and you will pay him off.
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Old 06-23-2012, 03:06 PM   #5
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That's essentially what I did, but I started to overthink stuff based on the wide range he could have. What was weird was that he clearly paid no attention to odds nor his opponents. He took a big chunk of my stack when his k3 flushed against my set. I limped, he led. I check called flop with set. I check raised all in on the turn, he stacked off with non nut flush draw and hit it. We were both fairly deep. He ultimately stacked me when I went all in pre with aces. He snap called with pocket rights, didn't even think about it. As luck would have it he made a set. I havent figures out yet how to play with people like this at my table.
You actually are playing them fine. They are just getting lucky on you. Don't let this discourage your play. This is going to happen time to time when playing against a maniac. They will hang themselves more times than not.
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Old 06-23-2012, 03:08 PM   #6
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That's essentially what I did, but I started to overthink stuff based on the wide range he could have. What was weird was that he clearly paid no attention to odds nor his opponents. He took a big chunk of my stack when his k3 flushed against my set. I limped, he led. I check called flop with set. I check raised all in on the turn, he stacked off with non nut flush draw and hit it. We were both fairly deep. He ultimately stacked me when I went all in pre with aces. He snap called with pocket rights, didn't even think about it. As luck would have it he made a set. I havent figures out yet how to play with people like this at my table.
You're being results oriented here. You got unlucky twice when you had your money in good. Idk what kind of response you're looking for here. You didn't even really give a description of you normal style. How could we give you the adjustment.
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Old 06-23-2012, 03:10 PM   #7
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That's essentially what I did, but I started to overthink stuff based on the wide range he could have. What was weird was that he clearly paid no attention to odds nor his opponents. He took a big chunk of my stack when his k3 flushed against my set. I limped, he led. I check called flop with set. I check raised all in on the turn, he stacked off with non nut flush draw and hit it. We were both fairly deep. He ultimately stacked me when I went all in pre with aces. He snap called with pocket rights, didn't even think about it. As luck would have it he made a set. I havent figures out yet how to play with people like this at my table.
If these are the two hands that happened against him then take solice in the fact that you played nearly perfect and got the money in good. I know it's extremely hard to do when you run bad against these players, but just realize that long term you will win all his money. You have to learn to take these lumps and hold on until you run better.

Well played against this guy and next time just make your hands hold up , easy game!
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Old 06-23-2012, 03:39 PM   #8
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Someone asked about my normal game. Typically what I do is play super tight. I fold hand after hand and observe my opponents. I find the ones who play too many hands and I take advantage of it. With a maniac, I have to consider the fact that he is in each hand no matter what. Then you start to see monsters under the bed because you remember the ridiculous hands he has shown up with and you over analyze.
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Old 06-23-2012, 05:07 PM   #9
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Try to play in position, and value own him. It's not much fun to fold most of the night to him, but it's a lot of fun to cash out his entire stack at the end of the night when you finally hit top pair and called down 3 streets of trash.
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Old 06-23-2012, 05:33 PM   #10
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He took a big chunk of my stack when his k3 flushed against my set. I limped, he led. I check called flop with set. I check raised all in on the turn, he stacked off with non nut flush draw and hit it. We were both fairly deep. He ultimately stacked me when I went all in pre with aces. He snap called with pocket rights, didn't even think about it. As luck would have it he made a set. I havent figures out yet how to play with people like this at my table.
This is nothing more than runbad. Im both cases you describe, you got it in good. That was the correct play. As for results, well, this is poker, and well.... poker happens. If fish like these didn't hit on the river and stack you occasionally, they wouldn't play, would they? I guaran-DAMN-tee you that this fish will remember this big night twenty years from now, and forget about every other nigh the left the table flat broke.

So he stacked you off. Consider it a "loan" that you will be repaid with interest if he keeps coming back.

Control the things you can control: making the best decisions, plugging leaks, staying off tilt, and don't sweat the things you can't control, like how the cards fall, and let the chips fall where they may. Make good decisions, and they'll fall your way in the long run.
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Old 06-23-2012, 05:41 PM   #11
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Re: how do you adjust to this type of opponent?

Good LAG > ABC and nits, which is what OP sounds like.

Play fewer pots, but bloat them up with strong hands when you do play.

1 pot an hour is fine and just ignore him when you don't have the goods to play. Don't try to adjust and beat him in small/medium pots, because you're obviously inexperienced against such player and will simply get run over.
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Re: how do you adjust to this type of opponent?

Easiest way to punish him is to bring plenty of buy-ins and try short stacking (40bb?). Reraise him preflop with AJs+/77 and be prepared to get it in on most flops.

Dont flat-call him out of position preflop.

Obviously you have to be careful of all the other players at the table.

One of his main edges on you is that he more accustomed to and comfortable with variance.

Oh and don't bother trying to trap him out of position post flop. This kind of player expects people to spaz against him and is capable of calling light so just play tight preflop and straight fwd post. He'll call your value bets with bottom pair.
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Old 06-23-2012, 06:55 PM   #13
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Good LAG > ABC and nits, which is what OP sounds like.
This is a huge fallacy.
A good LAG is better than BAD ABC/nits. I can count on one finger, the number of good LAGS I've encountered. If the table warrants it, LAG can be better, but it is by no means a better default style. Even good LAGS will get destroyed by a table of stations, which you will run into far more often than a table of nits.
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TAG seems like the natural choice however "ace on the river" recommends loosening up ur game vs him, RR pre a lot when he opens and isolate him
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Old 06-23-2012, 08:10 PM   #15
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This is a huge fallacy.
A good LAG is better than BAD ABC/nits. I can count on one finger, the number of good LAGS I've encountered. If the table warrants it, LAG can be better, but it is by no means a better default style. Even good LAGS will get destroyed by a table of stations, which you will run into far more often than a table of nits.
Uhh...ok. Are you arguing the statement itself or that good LAGs are rare?

LAGs win small and medium pots, nits give up small and medium pots.

I think you're just lucky that you haven't played with many decent LAGs. Best course of action, avoid them.
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