Hero on BTN gets fps vs BB 300BB deep
Join Date: Apr 2014
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Hero, young mid 20s white guy who just came to the table with a good stack about 2 orbits ago and have been pretty quiet.
Villain(BB) late 30 early 40s white guy he also has a good stack and has been pretty solid the last two orbits.
Hero gets 10 10 on BTN and it folds around to him and raises to $10.
SB Folds
BB Calls
Flop comes(Pot $21) 5s 10c Qh
Hero wants to appear weak and board is dry so I place a smaller bet of $15 and BB semi quickly raises to $30 and hero flats to disguise strength of hand.
Turn comes(Pot $71) 9h
Villain Semiquickly bets out $50
Hero starts cutting out chips and notices villain makes an seemingly unhappy face and hero calls.
River (Pot $171) Ah
Villain bets out $150
Hero???
Is my hand so underrepped I have to call this river? Does villain semi bluff raise flop with K10 and gets there on turn but bombs river when flush comes in? Is my set a bluff catcher at this point and has about as much value as a pair of tens?
Last edited by IPlayNLHE; 10-20-2014 at 11:42 AM.
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Raise the turn for the sweet love of all that's holy.
Not folding river. He can have AQ, QT, 55.
But raise the damn turn what are you doing?
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The 9h is not a good card to go the River with 'uncontested'. Not that it made a hand (although it could have) its just that it really could help a bunch of hands make something on the River. So you need to raise here and think how to get stacks in on River ... or now.
With your 'call' the pot will be $170 and V has $510 behind. So this is $150 on top for me here. That will leave him with $360 into $470 if he flats. If he already has a straight ... cooler. I am not letting him draw to a bigger hand on his terms. Raise ...
Not sure why you let him off the hook. Based on his physical tell, you may get no chips out of him on the River anyway since he can c/f to you. Make him pay now or get out. GL
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I like to play hands pretty straightforward when stacks are very deep. So, I'd 3-bet the flop to like $80. V has something that he likes, so might as well start getting money into the pot.
I put this in the category of a button steal/blind defense hand. People tend to play these differently than normal hands. You could be 3-betting a lot wider than the near nuts. I don't think you're turning your hand face up by 3! the flop anyways. It's still somewhat disguised.
His flop c/r is an awesome setup to play for stacks with a set. After 3-betting the flop, you can plan to bet $120 on the turn and have a pot-sized shove ready for the river.
As played, I'm never folding the river. Probably just call since a raise might only get called by better. Your set of tens is more than a bluff catcher since V might do this with two pair.
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If you raise the turn do you call off a shove? Do you guys really think villain bets pot on the river with AQ and this run out?
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I think once you flat the flop, a call/call line is fine. KJ makes up enough of his c/r range on the flop, especially his c/r on the flop that fires turn bombs river, that raising would be spew.
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Never folding.
Debating raising.
We likely get called by AQ on the river maybe 40% of the time, KJ 95% of the time, and flush 100% of the time (and often raised), 55 90% of the time, and any other weird weird two pair 10% of the time.
Calling looks about right.
Also, I'm assuming this is $1/$2? Title is in BB and post is in $s.
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I would definitely reraise his raise on the flop. He has something with his mid raise and if he has KJ, I'd make him pay for his draw.
AP, I think you might be beat in that if Villian is a good player he might have been check raising the minimum to get a free card for his draw. I think once the 9 hits, I'd be praying for the board to pair to call any shoves.
AP, I'd just calling expecting to see KJ but hoping he has Two pair.
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1/2, yes. I am glad to see I am not the only one that thinks raising this turn is kind of crazy.
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It's not crazy. Raising the turn is bad against one specific value hand - KJ. Against the rest of his flop c/r range, the turn is good for us but added some equity for the villain, meaning that he can call our turn raise with worse. Ergo, raise turn for value.