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lbrasci · 07-23-2012, 06:29 AM

What are the things you do to adjust when players are adjusting to your aggressive play? Lets assume a 2/5 NL with stacks 50bb to 100bb and villain is an average players not passive or aggressive. For example:

1. When they limp and then check raising you and you dont have a strong hand? I been getting check raised alot PF because some of the regular villains know I open wide.

2. When they know you are opening wide and they are 3betting? Same reasons as above. Tighten PF range?

3. When they call down 2 or 3 barrels with bottom pair because they know you are full of it? Check more and only bet with strong hands?

4. When they start playing back at you post flop? And your hand is medium strength? We know most villains at these stakes only raise strong hands.

5. When they keep calling you down light? Check more without the goods?

Is it just a matter of changing gears and PF raising premium hands or value betting with only strong hands post flop? Or not betting, raising, or check raising on draws despite equity (playing draws more passively)?

I been averaging $45/ hr the past 1200 hours but I think villains are adjusting to my game because they know air is a huge part of my game. Frequency is high on the questions. Or am I over thinking the situation. Thanks for the help.

SomeInternetKid · 07-23-2012, 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by lbrasci

1. When they limp and then check raising you and you dont have a strong hand? I been getting check raised alot PF because some of the regular villains know I open wide.

2. When they know you are opening wide and they are 3betting? Same reasons as above. Tighten PF range?

3. When they call down 2 or 3 barrels with bottom pair because they know you are full of it? Check more and only bet with strong hands?

4. When they start playing back at you post flop? And your hand is medium strength? We know most villains at these stakes only raise strong hands.

5. When they keep calling you down light? Check more without the goods?

dont play super LAG at 2/5 but ill give a few an answer to my best ability.
answers on a general basis not based on 50 or 100BB stacks

1. If you know the players who are capable of playing back at you you can call them with a slightly wider range as we have position, but im still only calling with top 10% of the deck and may still fold TPTK depending on action

2. Yea I would say change gears, LAG isn't always more profitable then TAG, you can change back later and take them by suprise

3. well know who "they" are and dont bluff them, if it is the table that is doing it, see #2

4. so fold

5. that's the same as 3. but probably worded better

masaraksh · 07-23-2012, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by lbrasci

What are the things you do to adjust when players are adjusting to your aggressive play? Lets assume a 2/5 NL with stacks 50bb to 100bb and villain is an average players not passive or aggressive. For example:
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You really shouldn't be getting "LAGGy" or out of line too much with these stack sizes. If a fishcake with a 50bb stack limp calls like J9o he's not making that big a mistake calling down/getting it in on Q93 against some aggro monkey.

Tom Dwans Son · 07-23-2012, 07:26 AM

Bad players at this level generally aren't limp raising but a very tight range of hands even against a LAG player. They will generally just call. Are the players in question good or bad players? I only play LAG against bad players. It's not nearly as profitable vs good players (they don't pay you off as often when you hit, their hand ranges destroy yours, and if they are 3-betting they have an aggression edge as well)...in fact, playing pots vs good players simply isn't that profitable in general which is why I play tighter vs them.

**venice10** · 07-23-2012, 08:10 AM

The answer is pretty simple, but I don't play LAG exclusively so I'm not going to waste my time offering it since you don't want it.

I'm going to lock this up. When you want to have advice from the whole forum, PM me and I'll reopen it.

**venice10** · 07-23-2012, 11:45 PM

Reopened.

Under_the_Radar · 07-24-2012, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by lbrasci

I been averaging $45/ hr the past 1200 hours but I think villains are adjusting to my game because they know air is a huge part of my game. Frequency is high on the questions. Or am I over thinking the situation. Thanks for the help.

Averaging $45 per hour for 120 hours is great, for 1,200 hrs is better than most, nearly unbelievable -especially considering the questions in your post.

LOLshoveaments · 07-24-2012, 02:11 AM

How big of a sample size of hands are you getting that makes you think they are actively countering your aggression? Would it be plausible to say that they are basically on a little heater?

If you are sure that they are level 2 thinkers, I would recommend polarizing your range and bet both your bluffs and your strong hands; check your medium strength hands.

If they know you are opening wide preflop and they are 3betting, 4bet bluff or for value. Almost never flatcall. You'd be surprised at the number of folds you get. Again they may be just picking up monsters against you and 3betting for value so keep that in mind.

lbrasci · 07-24-2012, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom Dwans Son

Bad players at this level generally aren't limp raising but a very tight range of hands even against a LAG player. They will generally just call. Are the players in question good or bad players? I only play LAG against bad players. It's not nearly as profitable vs good players (they don't pay you off as often when you hit, their hand ranges destroy yours, and if they are 3-betting they have an aggression edge as well)...in fact, playing pots vs good players simply isn't that profitable in general which is why I play tighter vs them.

The players in question are the regulars for the most part who i have history with. They are capable of making moves.

lbrasci · 07-24-2012, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by LOLshoveaments

How big of a sample size of hands are you getting that makes you think they are actively countering your aggression? Would it be plausible to say that they are basically on a little heater?

If you are sure that they are level 2 thinkers, I would recommend polarizing your range and bet both your bluffs and your strong hands; check your medium strength hands.

If they know you are opening wide preflop and they are 3betting, 4bet bluff or for value. Almost never flatcall. You'd be surprised at the number of folds you get. Again they may be just picking up monsters against you and 3betting for value so keep that in mind.

1. Its been about 2 months now I play about 80-100 hrs a month.

2. Yeah I already bet my med, strong, and bluffs. Ill experiment with checking medium strength hands.

endodocdc · 07-24-2012, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by lbrasci

What are the things you do to adjust when players are adjusting to your aggressive play? Lets assume a 2/5 NL with stacks 50bb to 100bb and villain is an average players not passive or aggressive. For example:

1. When they limp and then check raising you and you dont have a strong hand? I been getting check raised alot PF because some of the regular villains know I open wide.

Most of the times, this is simply a case of them having a better hand and betting/raising you for value

2. When they know you are opening wide and they are 3betting? Same reasons as above. Tighten PF range?

yes

3. When they call down 2 or 3 barrels with bottom pair because they know you are full of it? Check more and only bet with strong hands?

Don't bluff or make a super thin vbet against them. Do bet your medium to better value hands each street

4. When they start playing back at you post flop? And your hand is medium strength? We know most villains at these stakes only raise strong hands.

Depends on type of villain, board texture, position, etc. Pot control is OK if you have SDV and are fairly sure villain raises his entire range on turn, for example. Otherwise, you can b/f here

5. When they keep calling you down light? Check more without the goods?

No.Not necessarily. It starts with Preflop hand selection and obv, your position. But yeah, don't bluff or make super thin vbets against these types.

Is it just a matter of changing gears and PF raising premium hands or value betting with only strong hands post flop? Or not betting, raising, or check raising on draws despite equity (playing draws more passively)?

Playing to hit your draws, as a standalone strategy, isn't winning poker. You need to be a bit creative postflop..mix it up. If you want to switch gears and play completely passive with your draws, then start by looking at expressed odds for each street. Don't overvalue/overestimate implied odds and use that as justification to call a bet

I been averaging $45/ hr the past 1200 hours but I think villains are adjusting to my game because they know air is a huge part of my game. Frequency is high on the questions. Or am I over thinking the situation. Thanks for the help.

It seems you aren't targeting the right types of villains in most of these cases. And in others, your image is a major issue and might be tarnished.

1) Raise pre wider and cbet into passive fit/fold players, not c/stations
**sometimes a double barrel is needed and is important in order to substantiate a strong holding and not let others take note that you cbet flop and ch/fold turn.
2) Against c/stations, raise your value hands and relentously bet every street for value

3) Against LAGS that 3bet you in position preflop, either tighten up your range or change seats