Not a typical hand that I would play. I am sitting at a 1/2 game on the button. I have about 170bb in front of me. Villain is a newish guy at the table that I haven't played with before. He has played a couple orbits with one pf raise and has folded away several hands. He hasn't made it to a showdown yet.

PLaying 10 handed and the blinds are posted. 6 limpers to me on the button with Kh3h. The table has been passive preflop with aggression on the flop leading to typical headsup play. I thought about raising for 25 and trying to take it down, but didn't want to play this hand on the flop heads up fearing catching a small pc. No way I feel good about hitting a king in that situation and decide multiway is best. I call and both blinds are in. $18 in the pot.

Flop comes Kd 8s 6h

checked to me and I bet $20. Called by V in sb and everyone else folds. $58 in pot.

Turn brings 2s. V checks and I ponder for a minute before betting $45. He thinks for a long time before calling.

River is another blank (cannot remember exactly, think it might have been a J) and V checks. Hero?

Not sure what the proper play is here. Ultimately, I think I got myself in a bit of trouble, but am curious on your thoughts.

Thanks!

check it back..there are very few hands he is calling with that you will beat. my hunch is you will take the pot with your King. checking is the obvious play

I'd check, not enough value in betting and since all draws missed better hands never fold. You'll win often enough, imo.


preflop is a leak imo. raise or fold.

I'll post a result shortly in case anyone else wants to chime in.

I thought about raising preflop but without taking the pot, there aren't many flops that I really want to see. Not sure I am comfortable with that play. You think folding on the button is a better play, even with the odds that we are receiving?

I don't mind the limp. We have the button, and possible strong flush or top pair hand. It's only 1 bb. Check behind on the river.

I'm indifferent to the preflop play. I'll mix between raises, fold and calls depending on the situation, with more folds then anything else. The flop play is fine, everybody checked to you, so you can easily make one bet here.

Once you get called though, you should shut down. Your hand has a little showdown value but your not likely to get many better hands to fold or worse hands to call and there are not enough draws to matter. The same logic applies to the river, the only case where you can make money is betting a weak king off their hand, everything else is either loosing or will call anyway.

Raise or fold, what is this limp.

Check back river, he shows up with better here often or a missed draw. No need to bet. No value

I did indeed check back the river to find V with KT.

not a fan of that PF limp, but it's not terrible.

on the river u should def check because over 95% of the time villain has:

1. a busted straight draw with 97 or 75 and he will fold to any bet

2. flopped 2nd or 3rd pair and now facing a 3rd barrel and another overcard he'll fold

3. KX and he'll make a crying call

4. a scared 86 and he will call

5. a monster and he will raise

so, do u make any money if any of those scenarios? if your answer is no (and it should be), then you know u have to check behind.

I thought about checking back the turn, but thought that a bet was my only way of possibly winning the pot. I really thought that I was up against either a bigger (but still not great) K and that he might lay it down to a turn bet. Once he called, I was rather certain I needed a 3 on the river to win the pot.

Thanks for the reply,

If you know your villain is capable of folding a pair with a weak kicker, I would make a case in 3barreling. But its not profitable against most LLSNL players.

We are not raising to smash the flop. We are raising because we will have position and initiative if there are any callers to the flop. We likely take down the pot with a cbet if we miss. We will not stack off with TPNK but we may stack someone with an underflush suited connector.

BTW, I rarely raise in this spot (usually fold), but this is WHY I would raise.

limp is fine PF as in it isn't -EV. Raising or folding might be better but limping here isn't bad.

river is a check 100% of the time. I don't mind betting the turn though just to prevent us from facing a river bet from a busted draw or w/e.

I would also just typically overlimp here and try to catch a miracle flop.

Is anyone at this table capable of checking TP on the flop? If so, I might just check behind and re-evaluate the turn. But since most people bet out their TP, in most cases I would probably just bet here. No need to make a PSB on this drawless board; I would just bet a little of 1/2 PSB.

I think I just check back the turn. There's very few draws this guy coulda been calling with (97? 75? Backdoor flush?), so I'm not too concerned about giving a free card here. He's not folding TP. And he's not going to pay off two streets more of value with a worse hand (where we are way in the lead and not too concerned about him overtaking us on the river). Again, if betting, I think we bet too much; board really doesn't have too many draws so a 1/2 PSB should take the pot down.

I check behind on the river. TP is going to call a bet and his TP is better than ours; other than that, I don't see any worse hands calling.

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THIS.