i raised pre flop in EP.. my check raise on the flop means i have over pair.. and want to take down the pot..

i usually cbet here but with 4 villains i felt cbet wont have any FE that's why the check raise..

Pot is $700.

$125 pot + $180 (your raise) + $400 (his final raise including his initial bet of $60).

Or did you mean raise on top of whatever was bet, if so, you should make it more clear.

whatever dude it's still close to 1.5:1 regardlesss of the $60..

i'd like to know where 2.6:1 come from though..

What's whatever dude? Do you care about math or do you not? If so, get the number correct instead of this fuzzy math crap.

2.6:1 is odds against 22/33/77/32s combo range.

I strongly dislike your flop check

Btw, shipping it here is getting snapped almost always, and with zero fold equity,

1.6:1 pot odds for 2.6:1 hand = horribad.

ok.. thanks everyone..

i actually fold.. showed my hand.. players at the table went wild like "i'm never going to fold that hand" i just smiled..

villain didnt show his hand..

What are you smiling about? You really screwed this hand up by not c-betting

i smirked..

Not c-betting is bad here, like really bad. Check-raising for fold equity, wtf? Why can't villain have a strong hand here?

I just c-bet ~80 and call a re-raise here.

As played, a fold is horrendous. After the $25 you put in pre and the $180 on the flop you still have almost $800 behind. Just call the raise. You have some implied odds, plus you never know when someone is going to make a horrendous turn bet relative to the pot size.

Hero's stack

$1000 starting stack
-$25 hero's preflop bet
-$180 hero's flop raise
=> $795 is how much hero has left when villain raises from $180 to $400

so it's an additional $220 for hero to call to match villain's flop reraise

$795-$220 $575 This is how much hero has left to shove if he is going all in



Size of the Pot

$125 before flop action
To simplify we'll just throw in villain's $400 and hero's $400 bet

Pot is now $925

hero shoves $575 into $925. So pot becomes $1500

And it's $575 for villain to call...1500/575--> 2.6:1

Wow, just wow...

Ok your odds should only be calculated as a call, not if you decide to shove all-in? you have exactly 2.6-1 pot odds right now. If you shove all-in then you should calculate the odds for villian to call your bet too induce him to make a mistake by folding or calling with a worse hand. you should fold however villian either has a set, overpair, or a better Ace that he slow played, either way your a slight dog to a majority of the hands he could show up with here.

Slight variation from my approach.

$125 in the pot before action, $180 from hero, and $400 from villain:

125 + 180 + 400 = 705.

$705 in pot and $220 to call.

If we shove and villain is always calling, my calculation is as follow:

$705 in pot + $575 more we can win from villain = $1280.

$1280 = direct and implied odds combined, essentially the most we can win at this point if we shove our remaining $795 in the pot after facing the $400 raise.

So the odds would be:

1280:795 if we decide to shove on the flop with 0% fold equity. Simplify that and you get:

~1.61:1 for pot odds.

Only if you add TT+ to villain's range will we have the proper odds.

I think bolded is where your calc may be wrong. Once villain raises to $400, before we decide how much money we have left to shove, we need to put in the extra $220 into the pot to match the villain's raise (that money is no longer part of our shoving money. IT now belongs to the pot) So:

$705 +$220 = $925

$925 is the current size of the pot. Now, to calculate pot odds for shoving, we add how much money we have left to this pot size.

($925+$575)/$575 is the true pot odds for shoving.

Conversely, if we wanted to calc pot odds for flatting villain's flop raise, then it would be

$725/$220