I have been playing this table for about 30min after transferring and have about 650. Hero looks about 25 (actually 21) and has been playing pretty snug because this game is very good. Straddles every other hand, like 4 guys with 1500+ and there have been some blind raises. There is only one other good player at the table, he is an old school livepro type but he plays very well imo. Everyone else is all gambool and thereis a ton of money on the table.

(2500+)Villian 1 : Asian dude in his 40s, doesn't speak much english but has a very big stack for Foxwoods 2/5. He is calling super light and not caring cause he is up so much.

Villian 2: (1200) 50ish Old white dude with a beard. I have seen him check behind a second nut straight otr and that was in my mind.

Preflop: Asian guy 1 makes it 30 in ep, and villian 2calls, I call and one more call from the blinds.

I have 44

Flop (125) 569 -- Checks all the way through.
Turn(125) 5694
BB checks, asian guy fires 55, old guy makes it 120 after like 6 seconds and action is on me.

BB has no interest in this pot.

Sounds like a fold if "checks behind 2nd nuts OTR" means what I think it means.

This kind of player doesn't raise anything you beat, does he?

This sounds awful, and I don't usually say this, but I think you should call. I like this because no matter how the hand plays out you have a more clear idea of what to do.
Here are some scenarios:

-Asian puts in massive raise and old guy folds. You can usually get your stack in with a 3bet because he puts you on draws a lot and has overpairs a lot.

-Asian folds and old guy raises. Pretty clear fold.

-Asian calls and you see a brick river and call one bet.

-Asian calls and you see a 7 type river and you can fold to one bet.

Not usually good to flat with bottoms set in multi-way pots but I really think that given player type and board texture it allows you to play the hand most profitably looking forward.

Besides that one hand what is Villain2's image? Is he ABC, betting the flop with an overpair (if not 3betting pre)? Or can he get out of line, fall into FPS and have JJ+ here? If it's the former I don't see much you're beating when he takes this line.

I'm calling here. Old man is going to check any scare card to you based on your read. Asian dude probably has nothing but if he does hes going to push over your call and you can fold if the old man comes along and call if he folds. I can't see folding here. Although your description is telling me that the old man only raised with the goods...

Neither one of these players ever has an overpair here.

the fact that even if the board pairs OTR you are prob still behind a non 0% of the time sort of makes this a fold for me, like if making a FH OTR gave you huge implied odds then it prob a call. obv there are more straights then sets in old guys range given how the flop went but I am not really sure the IO are there on this type of board to just flat the turn here. esp since hearts and board paring can kill your action alot here too.

raising vs this old guy on the turn seems a little spewy.

agreed. call. you are IP. you can re-evaluate OTR.

There's absolutely nothing to re-evaluate on the river. When the old guy raises the turn, he's betting the river 99% of the time. If you're behind, the case 4 is the only card in the deck that improves you. Nobody has a straight in this situation. A straight is hidden and wants to collect from a FD or big pairs on the flop. If you're ahead, people only have a couple of outs to beat you.

If you're positive that the old guy wouldn't bet the flop without top set or a straight, then this is a fold. Otherwise I'd fall back on Lee Jones' statement that if you didn't lose a lot of money with a set, you played it wrong.

fold. at best, you're up against 2 pair like 65 or 64 suited and there are only 3 combos of those since 3 4's are already out there. If he is the type to check behind the 2nd nut straight, I doubt he will will raise 2 pair on this board. Therefore, you are up against higher sets and 87 suited for a straight the majority of the time.

wow this is one of the weirdest spots I've seen in a while. Seems like from your description of the villain he's not raising any sort of combo draws and there are no two pair hands in his range....no chance he's ever playing JJ or QQ like this? playing them weird here? eh thats pretty unlikely i guess given your description, plus he probably would have bet the flop when checked to him I guess. Calling seems like a bad idea here for a lot of the reason other posters mentioned. Unless I was positive, I would raise to 250 and fold to a jam maybe? Really not sure, Folding seems like a good play and raise does seem spewy. Really don't know, interested to see what others think.

I think flat calling the turn raise and folding to a river bet is terrible. The only situation I can see being good for me is if it pairs and he checks to me, meaning I just busted 78 and can value bet pretty big to get a "whydoIrunsobad" type of call out of this guy.

If river bricks and he leads I think I have to fold, if it improves me hand and he leads I still think I have to fold. So why not just fold now?

I think you have to fold. You can't even really call trying to boat up because you still have a player to act behind you.

On the plus side, having a read pn a player where you can profitably fold bottom set means you are winning big skalnsky bucks.

Rob, how do you think V2 would play your hand if he were in your seat?

Shove not realizing he is narrowing my range to specifically hands that beat 44