Yeah I realize I should not have posted the results in the original post, but I do appreciate the feedback. I definitely learned from this hand. First, like someone said, I should not be results oriented, especially because I would have hit a full house.

Second, and most importantly, my 3bet was disgustingly low and will never put myself in that spot again by raising so small in a situation like that.

The young kid, who I played with before (which is why I knew he could be 4 betting me light) said something pretty funny a half hour later. After the table continued to be complete action, he turns to me and says "If that hand happened 15 minutes later at this table, you snap call huh?"

Yeah, probably. But that's how it goes.

It's a minor point but the situation probably wasn't due all that much to your raise sizing. If you bet $90 there, the kid now probably goes all-in, Moses still calls, and the 85 still comes over the top. Your odds change a bit but I don't think this is a call/fold based primarily on pot odds.

How many squeeze plays are happening at $1/3? More, on average, than $1/2? And how many opponents pick up on squeeze plays, or what they think are squeeze plays, and 4-bet light because of it?

I would have folded in that spot.

VS

grunch:

better to post without results.
easy fold- don't let the way this hand played out change your normal view here- this is the exception which convinces recreational players to keep getting it in bad.

Yeah I definitely messed up posting the results. I won't next time. And there will probably be a next time because lately I've found myself in a lot of unusual spots at my normal 1-3 game.

Thanks for the feedback though. I posted this last night after getting home and I was pretty upset, but I feel a lot better about it today. Still wish I would have 3 bet bigger, no matter what action would have taken place behind me.

This is a fold preflop given the action. Very rare you wouldn't see someone without AA here. The action basically dictates that someone has it; what they actually held was an aberration.

As you already realize, the initial 3-bet should be to more than $45 preflop once there is a limp, a $15, and two callers.

The bad 3 bet size makes this a call, AINEC.

We know the cold 4 bettor. He is a good player easily capable of making a move on our 3 bet, which to him will look like a cheap squeeze attempt because the sizing was so bad. Moses' call of the 4 bet is just dead money. Initial raiser's shove should be read as including hands that are ahead of our squeeze and SB's resqueeze range.

There is also a decent chance that we are in a situation where SB and initial raiser have each other counterfeited with AQ and AK.

That deep, I think this is an easy fold. You happened to run into a bunch of people going nuts. Oh well.

I've folded KK pre twice live. Both times, the other person showed AA. Sometimes there are obvious spots where the villain can only have AA.

I've made myself call off pre with KK a couple of times even when I knew the other person obviously had AA. Sucky feeling.

CMAR said it best. Unless you are sure it is AA, you shouldn't fold KK pf. Sure means you stick your cards in the muck immediately and don't think about it again. Since you tanked, you need to get your stack in.

Dan Harrington once told me that folding KK pre-flop -- ever -- is a huge leak. I'm not sure I agree with him 100% -- if you just know that someone has AA, then you've only got 20% equity against them, so you make the decision based on how much money's in the pot -- but typically, I have to be pretty darned confident someone has Aces before I do it. Not "no information so I assume everyone's straightforward" but "I've played with this person enough to know that they are pretty nitty and are really only capable of doing this with AA."

To date, I've folded KK pre exactly once in ~8 years of live poker, and I'm 1-for-1; my read was correct. (In a terrific ironic twist, the flop came down AKK and the whole table was ready to kill me for mucking a possible bad beat hand; thankfully we dodged an A on the turn and river or I would have been tarred and feathered.)

Anyway, my own guidance here is that the squeezer has the "burden of proof" to prove to you that they aren't capable of doing this with hands other than AA.

Having said all that, you only lost $45 at what sounds like a juicy table; you could certainly make far worse mistakes.

Also, if you ever do something like this, I would advise that you not show your hand so as not to impact your image with the other players at the table.

you can absolutely fold KK preflop. sorry harrington.

not really, he actually lost $1495.

Okay.

Old man coffee cold-calls $150 and it is dead money? Cause he'd shove with AA, so we are way ahead?

I'm confused. Doesn't the combination of Moses and "middle aged / no read" shove make this a reasonable fold? There is ~$1000 in the pot and we've got to re-shove or call $650---perhaps with the exception of your last observation regarding counterfeiting?

raise to 75 pre

with no reads i would fold

and wow what a bunch of donks shipping in 2 buy ins with less than KK lol

as played i would have folded and then proceeded to win 10 buy ins