b/f the river

Check fold NF is kinda weak for me.The only thing i would be checking on the turn is 88.Your winning so many combos a b/f is in order.The pot is 152$ otr before his bet so id make it 75-85$ and bet fold to a shove.Your getting value from 99++(AA-QQ or KK not so much but maybe he tried to be trappy) maybe 75-64-69 and all the lower flush draw.
Tbh i think your either not properly bankrolled or seeing Monsters... clearly a B/F otr for me as i perceive his range to be mostly TT-JJ.

Never folding here for that bet size. pot was 250 ish and ur getting 2.5 to 1 with the nut flush. Id either check call or lead out 100 my self on the river and consider a fold if re-raised.

The important thing to note here is that you have apparently been smacked in the face with fairy dust. NEVER assume that someone would not try to bluff you. This "super solid" player might have some respect for your game but I promise you if he is as "super solid" as you say he is, he will look for an opening and once it presents itself, he will do anything he can exploit you.

Curious...is this the same "solid" player that 4 bet you when you had KK??? Well, you need to re-adjust how you approach this guy because I'm almost certain that he's been bluffing the snot out of you and is relishing in the fact that you "don't think he would try to bluff you." Just because someone is friendly doesn't mean they're your friend.

As played, bet/fold the river.

Not betting the river is a travesty. Showing that you folded the nut flush is even dumber. Like, face palm retarded. Why would you EVER want people knowing that you folded that?

It seems like you showed to show off, which is really immature and shortsighted.

I want to address this, if he is the better player and you are the lesser player, then what you said above would "feel" right but it wouldn't be right when in reality he bluffs you all the time and you just don't know it. He just does a good job of picking spots to bluff you.
Geezus how I hate this. This is like 1980s poker, seriously and is losing just so much freaking value.

#1) Majority of fish just aren't paying attention.
#2) Majority of fish call raises with inferior RIO
#3) Bigger preflop raises makes for easier play post flop as you narrow ranges

Seriously, villains aren't thinking "He always raises $8, maybe he has AA or maybe AK damn... you never know with that guy because he always raises the same". No. When you raise $8 villains are thinking, "I got my lucky cards, glad the raise is only $8 so I can call and hope I hit my hand because the only way you can beat this game is to hope to get lucky on the flop..."

If you were to "always" raise a set amount, raise $18 as a standard raise. By raising $8 you are balancing in the wrong direction, you are playing your strong hands weak.
Hate to be a douche, but this makes me want to invent a new poker term, the thinking-fish. This is the most bizarro logic i've ever heard of. Your whole logic of raising $8 as a "standard" raise is so that they can't put you on a big pair. So explain to me how in the HELL V is supposed to "now" put you on a big pair? Just because you c-bet? When 90% of all players cbet???

What V is thinking is "I hit my hand/draw I'm going to raise."

If you call pot will be roughly $150 and there will be a PSB remaining. So calling is the worse option because if we brick turn and he shoves turn we now have incorrect odds to call. So this is a clear shove. Two overs plus nut draw.

We have the most equity on the flop so why not get the money in WHILE we have the most equity? Calling in this spot is what weak-tight fish do.

WTF??? really??? A full house is a possibility, no doubt about that. But let me ask you a question? What do you think V would do if he had KT What about 76s, 66, 99, TT??? These are all hands that are well within V's range so I don't understand your propensity to see MUBs.

incidentally, notice how uncertain you are? V's range is wide and the biggest reason for it is the $8 preflop raise. He could call that $8 raise with a range of 40% easy which is ridiculously wide.

This is absolutely disgusting. If V is a thinking player WHY WOULD HE SHOW THE BLUFF??? you are his gravy train, you see MUBs at every turn. Why would he want to end his easy money and show you he bluffs. No, if he has half a brain he will say, "Damn, I had quads, good fold!!!"

I want to touch on this subject. Your claim for raising the same weak ass amount is becuase you don't want to be exploitable by players noticing your raise amounts which is pretty high level... So if these players are at such a high level then it stands to reason these same players WOULD NEVER show you their bluffs right?

I've got to be honest, if I ever was at the table with you, I would flat 100% of all your raises, raise you 100% of the time and shove 100% of all rivers against you.

I've read many of your posts and I think you understand basic poker theory and concepts however you use that knowledge to reinforce weak-tight passive play.

I guess its possible to be a winner at 1/2nl being a weak-tight passive thinking player, but there is no way your winrate is ever going to be higher than 3-4bb/hr tops.

The problem I see is that you are caught in a vicsious circle of passiveness. The more passive you play the more you reinforce your play thus the more passive you will play.

You've got to learn to ramp up the aggression a lot. You've got to take advantage of all the mistake LLSNL players make. Reading your posts I think you've got the concepts and theories down but you are missing that vital component necessary to take this to the next level...

balls.

And I know, I sound like a condescending know it all douchebag prick, but man, i've got to tell you that you played this hand just like all the weak-tight players that I prison rape every single day. Whenever given the choice between passive or aggressive plays they will always choose the passive play and justify it in some convoluted self serving manner. Its like the fear of being wrong or losing a pot at showdown is too much for them to even contemplate...

Flop is a clear shove when he raises you AINEC. And then the fact that you actually hit your hand and then fold river getting about 2.5:1 on your money when there are lessor hands that can bet the river.

If this V has lots of history with you and is a thinking player please explain to me how his bluff frequency against you isn't through the freaking roof? Any thinking player that witnessed you play this hand would raise you RELENTLESSLY on flop/turn and then bet you off on river with a 2/3 pot bet. I mean, why the hell not? You are a LAG's wet dream come to life. You raise small, bet small, don't semi-bluff, then fold river WHEN you hit your hand on a scary board for a less than pot sized bet...

Dgi raining truth bombs.

Payoffwizard should take everything dgi says in this thread, commit it to memory, and then 6 months from now, send him a Thank You Card with a tuition check in it. School's in session, payoffwizard...don't be to proud to get educated.

payoffwizard = weaktightnit.


Every thread he creates is about him wanting to fold the near nuts.

Nh dgi.

/thread

Not to sound like some dgi-disciple, but, OP, read and learn.

Dgi's pre-flop raise-sizing mantra was the first key piece of advice I took into my game after posting on 2+2 (he tore into me, too, after I was saying , pretty much word-for-word, what you are) and that alone has taken my game/ success/ image on more than anything else.

Also, for the love of Morrisey, get this in on the flop.

This. And what dgi said.

Seriously WTF @ this thread and people advocating folding...and an easy fold at that?? Are you freakin serious?? Flop is a 4bet shove all day. Lead out river all day. As played it's an easy call.

Can he have a FH? Well yeah of course he can. But seriously lol @ "I only beat 75". You beat a crapload of combos given how weakly you played your hand. Now compare that to how many combos you lose to.

Dude...

This guy has got to be one of the tightest nits i have ever seen post here. Talk about monsters under the bed syndrome.


Whats more funny is his name is payoffwizard. He never pays anyone off not even with the nut flush draw due to his fear of full houses!

DGHI, do you believe that Payoffwizard is a LAG? I called him a weak tight nit and he said i'm an idiot and that he is a LAG!

Gotta wonder why Dans bumps a thread that's a month and a half old not to comment on the hand, but to 3x rag on OP who's already been raked over the coals by a well respected forum member.

Tough love for OP, but Dans can GTFO.