Game is playing LAG and deep. It's 1/3 but playing more like a deep 2/5 or bigger. Lots of 3betting, big bluffs, and aggression going on. When players bust they are buying back in for 2K-2.5K.

V1: splashy LAG who likes to see flops. Does not seem positionally aware. Rarely folds pre. He is raising frequently, and I haven't seen him fold to a 3bet yet. When he limps, I don't think I've seen him fold to a raise. His play has been pretty unpredictable, he pulled a strange limp/4bet bluff pre once that got through, he also hero called a huge all in river bet (over 1K) on an Ace high scary board (flush and straight got there) with AJ and was good. Sitting on 4K.

V2: Calling station. Not positionally aware. Doesn't have much of a fold button. Has made some questionable calls. Called a massive turn bet OOP vs a LAG with a 7 high flush draw, flush hit on the river and he checked, LAG jammed and he insta-called and was good. Hasn't been raising much pre, but not folding much either. Has about 4.5K.

Hero: Likely seen as tight, though I doubt V2 is paying much attention. Won a sizable pot on my third hand with AA but have been card dead the next two hours so not very active. Did 4bet bluff with Ad7d about 30 minutes earlier and showed (V1 was the original raiser, a TAG 3bet, and I came over the top). Recently lost a big pot with QQ when I was floated and a river K hit, I didn't show but assume my hand was obvious. Stack at 1.1K.

V1 limps UTG, I have red 88 UTG +3 and elect to call. Though I considered raising to isolate, there has been so much 3betting at this table and I could easily be forced to fold or call off a $90 3bet to set mine OOP. Folds to V2 in late position and he raises to $30 (standard at this table). V1 calls and I call, three to the flop.

Pot $94
Flop is 986 all spades.

V1 checks, and I check as well. While I'm not obsessive about balance, I pretty much check my entire range when I limp/call to the pre flop raiser. Thoughts on this? Feel like most players are going to lead here.

V2 bets $75. V1 calls. I should...?

Call.

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Ore seems fine for me.

I always lead this flop for $90 or so. Overpairs aren't folding, big spades aren't folding, 7x isn't folding, and 9x or pair + a GS probably isn't folding. Having flop check through is a disaster.

As played I raise to 250 and gii given the boat outs.

I would call and if the turn is anything but a non board pairing spade, Im leading the turn so V2 cant check behind.

Seems too deep to do that. Definitely agree with flop lead though, one of the big reasons to lead flop is that if V2 bets we're not even sure if we want to c/r. Flop checking through is super bad, mostly because we need to build the pot now to get bigger money in on later streets.

Sounds like a very rowdy game and raising would be getting a lot of value. The only way to make them really pay for the river is to be raising here.

If you aren't raising here does that mean you have any value raising hands on this flop that aren't flushes? (10-7 and 7-5 straights aren't in your range??)

How many flush combos can we have that aren't nut flushes? Do you raise AxNFD semi-bluff here as part of your range?

If you were against 2 very solid TAG players I'd still see myself going for value from overpairs+FD than being afraid of them only playing flopped flushes this way.

For those who advocate leading this flop, which I think is a reasonable play, are you leading all sets, flushes, and straights and nothing else? I feel that's all I would want to lead here, which means I'd have zero bluffs in my range.

For those who suggested flatting the flop, can you expand on why? Do you feel we are too deep to check/raise and potentially stack off here?

And it matters you have zero bluffs in your range because....?

This is 1/3, people don't like folding and don't bluff enough.

Second, it never matters if you don't bluff here as long as there are bluffs in your perceived range. Against some fish that limp/call 60% of hands & get tired of my raises in my games, i've overbet quite a few rivers for fat value and pretty much always got called by TP. Would I ever bluff there, especially after I know they're tired of me pushing them around and that they hate folding, esp vs me? No. But it doesnt matter because they assign spaz/bluffs in my range and just call off

Yeah, if you x/r this flop super deep, when you get action & all the money piles in you're going to be up against top set/flush everytime. Also since you limp in EP if your opponent is positionally aware you shouldnt have any bluffs really when you x/r this flop. You don't have as many As as PFR does, and you may elect to just call instead of x/r with As hands you do have

Lead flop

I agree with everything in this post.

I'm so used to checking most flops in these situations that I effectively auto-checked without really considering why leading was best. V2 is a calling station so he is pretty much at least calling here if he had any As, overpair, etc.

As it was, I ended up check/calling.