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02-20-2017 , 11:07 PM
9 handed

villain 1 is around 40 yrs old. He's a pretty decent aggressive player that seems to know what hes doing but spews once in a while. He opens a lot. Cbets a lot. Capable of making good folds. I'm pretty sure he thinks I'm pretty tight and that I rarely put money in the pot without a big hand. He hasnt seen me get caught bluffing, and in general I dont bluff a all that much so I was a bit out of my comfort zone here.

1 limp by bad tight player in e.p.
It folds to villain 2 in the hijack who raises to $14 ($400)
Hero calls on button with QK ($500)
bad tight player calls

3 way to the flop ($45)
TT7

check, villain bets $30, hero calls, fold

Turn ($105)
TT7A

villain checks, hero bets 55, villain calls

River ($215)
TT7A2

villain checks, hero bets $155..


On the flop, I felt that he was continuation betting pretty much all his worst hands, and not sure what hes doing with the middle-top portion of his range, but probably betting a lot of that.Turn comes and he checks, so I continue with the plan and fire. When he calls, he pretty much always has an A I think. On the river I was thinking that my image might let him believe I have a T here, and I definitely would play a T like this.

Is this out of line on my part? I would play 89 and some gutshots like this too

Last edited by niceguy22; 02-20-2017 at 11:19 PM.
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02-20-2017 , 11:18 PM
Calling largish raises with hands like KQ and AJ is a bad habit to get into.

What does you having a 9 have to do with anything?
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02-20-2017 , 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
Calling largish raises with hands like KQ and AJ is a bad habit to get into.

What does you having a 9 have to do with anything?
lol my bad I meant T
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02-20-2017 , 11:28 PM
It almost sounds like this Villain had a A10 or J10 or something of the sort and was calling along cause he was hoping for a split pot cause he did not like his kicker?
Or maybe he sees you as aggro and willing to showdown and can check call you.
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02-20-2017 , 11:31 PM
I think this line is acceptable and you're gonna get a lot of folds from Aces here
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02-20-2017 , 11:48 PM
I'm not thrilled with the call PF either, would rather call with 89suited or something like that. KQ IP I'd be close to 3betting with a tight reputation.

AP I think the turn bet looks really weak (Ax), and don't blame villain for calling. On the river I think you'll get called some of the time but you rep a T well here. If villain has fold button it's a good bet.


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02-21-2017 , 01:37 AM
Trying to get people to fold top pair, even on a paired board, is generally a bad idea. I really don't get the flop float. If you think he is cbetting his entire range which is mostly weak then put in a modest raise and take the pot down now.

Your hand has absolutely nothing going for it. Save the floats for 98s and QJs with BDFD's. KQo is a great hand to just turn into a bluff and take it down on the flop.
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02-21-2017 , 01:50 AM
i prefer a 3bet pre against a player who's opening too wide especially from semi-LP. other than that I think that if you're correct about how V perceives you, you're going to get folds here from Ax hands and JJ-KK. You're definitely polarized here tho so maybe a PSB would be better. from V's perspective i would have to put you on Tx, 77, TT for value, and KQ, KJ, JQ as bluffs. probably only gutshots would barrell the turn. .. i would discount 89 because it would probably check back to try to realize equity. i guess from a game theory perspective this range would give you a lot more combos of bluffs... but we know from what you said about your style of play you're generally weighted toward value. IDK i'm not too good at the GTO stuff and it's pretty much irrelevant at 1/2 anyway so all in all, i like the line you took.
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02-21-2017 , 01:54 AM
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Originally Posted by johnnyBuz
Trying to get people to fold top pair, even on a paired board, is generally a bad idea. I really don't get the flop float. If you think he is cbetting his entire range which is mostly weak then put in a modest raise and take the pot down now.

Your hand has absolutely nothing going for it. Save the floats for 98s and QJs with BDFD's. KQo is a great hand to just turn into a bluff and take it down on the flop.
Ya I get what you're saying about trying to get people to fold top pair. Not sure if I should have any raising range here though. Just not sure what good hands Id want to raise with. Although we are deep enough that maybe I should be raising my boats otf.
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02-21-2017 , 02:05 AM
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Originally Posted by niceguy22
Ya I get what you're saying about trying to get people to fold top pair. Not sure if I should have any raising range here though. Just not sure what good hands Id want to raise with. Although we are deep enough that maybe I should be raising my boats otf.
Against good opponents you wouldn't have a raising range here (unless you are leveling a reg which I've done before).

This is an exploitative adjustment, but the fact of the matter is villain is going to be bet/folding nearly his entire range here. Our blockers to KK/QQ + position + BDSD + over pair draws if he really gets sticky with mid PP's give us plenty to work with.

It's just really hard for villain to defend his range OOP here which is why we make exploitative adjustments.
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02-21-2017 , 03:33 AM
Fold pre, fold flop, give up turn, give up river. Every street was -EV, except maybe the river. This is spew.

You can't make a +EV play calling a 7x pre open with KQo, which has bad RIO and poor playability multiway. Flop you could already be drawing dead, and nobody likes folding overpairs. Give up.

Turn is the spewiest part. He has a bunch of AK in his range & JJ-KK that is putting you on a straight draw bluff and is x/calling. He can also be trapping with 1010/77/A10s/K10s/AA.

River is a complete blank, you still have a lot of perceived bluffs in your range. Just give up. You're only repping quads/77/A10/trips.

If you're floating KQo here and barreling, then you get to the river with way too many bluffs and are way overbluffing this river.

Just because you're tight for a session or so doesn't mean you should start floating flops super liberally and with possibly 0% equity. If you are actually tight as you claim to be, your value range is actually super narrow on this river. 1010/77/A10s and that's it.

Last edited by Minatorr; 02-21-2017 at 03:41 AM.
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02-21-2017 , 02:58 PM
not that i suggest floating here, but A was literally the worst turn card, so you absolutely shouldve given up. Ax is probably his largest part of his range and you dont even have 6 outs to an OK hand anymore.

If you were to think its EV+ to float here, youd fire on pretty much any card 7 or below, youd check back if you hit K or Q, or picked up a draw, and youd give up if he bets or if an A hits.
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02-21-2017 , 03:19 PM
I think pre is a 3bet or fold.

flop: I think its a bad hand to float with bc having KQ blocks a lot of the air hands he could be cbetting with. QJ/KJ/KQ/AQ/AK. I dont hate the float I do it sometimes too, as I think these bag aggro 1/2 live players are wayyyy over cbetting,almost 100%.

Turn: I think this is a good turn to barrel cuz you pick up a gutshot so you have more equity when called. I still think his range is way too wide and you have FE from all the pocket pairs/random broadways. Blocking KT/QT makes this much better now that you also have a gutshot

River: V dependant. if he only calls turn with a T or TPTK which he wont fold you have to throw in the towel. Most LLSNL players are limping small aces, so more likely he has AT-AK. if you know he can fold TPTK, or maybe he overfolds cuz hes scared money then go for it...if V is the type to call turn with 89s and JJ-KK that makes this much better cuz you block AK/AQ/QT/KT so theoretically once you get here its one of the best bluff hands
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