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08-01-2012 , 09:12 AM
hey guys,

I just finished a session at the crown... I ve got a couple of hands that i am not to sure about...Would love your comment on it

Table: The table started out to be loose passive, a lot of limping, nobody really raised. a couple of players stacked of and the table got tighter...but still a lot of limping, but if players raised this time they had AJ or better.

Limped 5 way.

Hero:BB 64

F: Q77

SB:check
BB:check
UTG +1:check
MP: bets 2/3 pot (shortstacked) ( Played 3 orbits so far, raised twice to 10bb preflop, nobody called...Limps in a descent amount of the time)
BU:folds
SB:calls
BB:calls
UTG+1: folds

T: 3

SB:check
BB:check
MP: Pushes AI (potsize bet)
SB: takes a long time and folds

Hero:???

With what would villian push on this turn?
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08-01-2012 , 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by LuckyAceFour
Hero calls.

Villain could have a mulitude of hands.

7x, 77, AhXh,KhXh, possibly any flush, Q7s
yeah, but those are all hands that have me beat, except for 7x....

so why should i call here?
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08-01-2012 , 10:09 AM
so you would just fold on the flop?
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08-01-2012 , 10:53 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by briqvueville
hey guys,

I just finished a session at the crown... I ve got a couple of hands that i am not to sure about...Would love your comment on it

Table: The table started out to be loose passive, a lot of limping, nobody really raised. a couple of players stacked of and the table got tighter...but still a lot of limping, but if players raised this time they had AJ or better.

Limped 5 way.

Hero:BB 64

F: Q77
Pot size: $9?

SB:check
BB:check
UTG +1:check
MP: bets 2/3 pot (shortstacked) ( Played 3 orbits so far, raised twice to 10bb preflop, nobody called...Limps in a descent amount of the time)
Bets $6?
BU:folds
SB:calls
BB:calls
UTG+1: folds

T: 3
Pot size: $25?
SB:check
BB:check
MP: Pushes AI (potsize bet)
Bets $25?
SB: takes a long time and folds

Hero:???

With what would villian push on this turn?
Are my pot guesses more or less correct?
If so, for his last $25, his range must include any 7, a ton of Qx, and probably even any pp, and a lot of Ahx and Khx. Snap call. (And don't forget your straight flush redraw)

Please provide stack sizes, bet sizes, and pot sizes in your future hand histories.
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08-01-2012 , 11:05 AM
He could have just a naked heart here.... It's cheap to call so do it
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08-01-2012 , 11:15 AM
If you called the flop, you can't possibly fold the turn. Clearly he has a hand, but you beat any Qx and all 7x hands that have not paired. I'd be willing to bet that the SB folded Q-little, especially after thinking for a while (7x snap calls and a flush would probably do the same for such a small pot)

Flop: $6 call in a $21 pot. Fine.
Turn: $25 call in a $46 pot. Do it.
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08-01-2012 , 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by theMANzalone
If you called the flop, you can't possibly fold the turn. Clearly he has a hand, but you beat any Qx and all 7x hands that have not paired. I'd be willing to bet that the SB folded Q-little, especially after thinking for a while (7x snap calls and a flush would probably do the same for such a small pot)

Flop: $6 call in a $21 pot. Fine.
Turn: $25 call in a $46 pot. Do it.
+1
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08-01-2012 , 11:51 AM
If SB calls, I think that we are still confident about being ahead. SB knows V is on a wide range and therefore has a wide range himself. In fact, I see SB's calling range more or less matching V's range.

So, do we call or raise? Calling allows lots of cards to come that kill us (another heart, a Q, a 3, a random card that pairs 7x), raising folds out most things that are behind us. My inclination is to raise to $85 and expect/hope to take it down here. But that may be the wrong instinct.
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08-01-2012 , 12:06 PM
It would be helpful to have stack sizes and bet sizes. Really helpful

I prob just fold the flop honestly.
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08-01-2012 , 12:11 PM
I agree with lady here, Fold flop. U called flop bet and made your hand and shortie moves in now u wanna fold? No reason to fold turn if you called flop bet to begin with
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08-02-2012 , 01:34 PM
Even though table is tight, I save my aggro preflop raises for when I'm in position. So preflop is obvious, imo.

I might donk this flop as a semi-bluff sometimes. Table is tight, limped pot, I think we take this down a fair amount.

As played, I'd actually consider folding to the flop action. All we have is baby flush draw on a paired board, so we have very high RIO. And if table is tightish, then there is no guarantee we get paid off if we are good when we hit anyways.

I would have just put the shortstack villain all-in myself on the turn to make sure he gets his chips in before another scare card could come. We didn't call the flop to fold when we hit our hand, so super easy call considering it's the last money we're putting in the pot.

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