Don't do things because you read about them on a forum.

4 betting light, isolating limpers, merging your range, value betting thin. People love to (try to) do/speak about these and many more things because it makes them feel advanced/more clever than other people etc.

Understand why you are betting, checking or calling in any situation instead of trying to life "moves" you've seen or read about and randomly dump them into your game.

If youre playing super duper deep with maniacs, then suuuuurrreee

+1

I know this is about cash games but let me throw something different out there. What about a 4bet bluffing range in MTTs?

^ ask the MTT forum.

this is LLSNL: that is LIVE, LOW-STAKES, NO-LIMIT.

In low-stakes live cash games (1/2 & 2/5) many players "open raising" range is very value-heavy. A lot of players are limping all sorts of crap from all positions, yet when they raise it usually means they "have a hand" (avg range is probably AJs+/KQ/99+). When a low-stakes live player 3bets that usually means "they have a really good hand" (QQ+/AK). Tons of players at these levels are just soooooo happy to call and "see a flop" that they don't 3bet much wider than that. Many are also simply incapable of 3betting light.

To effectively 4bet bluff, you need to encounter villains with an ability to 3bet and fold to 4bet. That essentially implies that you will need to encounter villains that 3bet light (at a high enough frequency). Pretty much, this does not happen until you reach 5/10+ live cash games (maybe a little in 2/5) and essentially never in 1/2.

Lastly, this is INSANELY opponent and read dependent. Also, to some degree, I like to have a blocker to KK+ when I do it. So the hands I would 4bet bluff with are usually Kx/Ax.

Actually I do sometimes 4-bet nits, but it's always 200+ BB deep, and I get a read that they have QQ-JJ and not KK+. These players won't stick in 200BB pf with less than KK, so in the right spot I can 4-bet and get them to lay down QQ/JJ on the flop. I do like to have a suited ace or connector when I do this though, as it helps to have some equity/playability when you get called.

Not in LLSNL, most people at 1/2 and 2/5, when they 3-bet it either AA, KK, QQ, or AK. So 4-bet bluffing is pointless against this range and you should never do it, you beat these stakes by playing fundamentally sound abc poker.

The only time I would 4-bet bluff is if I have an Ace in my hand against a good player. If you spot a grinder or winning player at your table who is obviously capable of 3-betting with hands like 99, TT, JJ, etc.. then you can 4-bet with a hand like A-2 because they will fold these hands 100% of the time, and even if your wrong and they have QQ or KK, you still have ~33% equity

YESSS, I've done that too.

I remember opening ATs in MP to 40, there was 2 callers and an old nit really tight-bad squeezed to 240 (pretty obv he wants to "take it down"). I 4b to 550 and he takes like 4 mins to muck.

lol

I 4 bet bluff-shoved once against a maniac at 1/2 who was in a pissing contest with a reg. I open-limped A8s in EP (bad at this table, I know), reg raised, maniac 3-bet with a range I was sure was ATC and just designed to piss off-reg. I knew reg was folding his entire range less AA if I l/rr, and figured I had great equity against maniac if he called.

Masaraksh' post above reminded me of it, because maniac tanked forever, and the house rules only allowed players in the hand to call clock. The table was begging me to call clock, and maniac finally folded and showed AK.

I made a post about it on here which garnered much controversy, IIRC.

That and 4-betting some obvious squeezes from the blinds a few times are the only times I've 4-bet bluffed in $1/2. And those were not really bluffs so much as turning medium hands like TT into bluffs.

I need to work on my 3- bet bluffing range, yet alone my 4- bet bluffing range.

Yes, but it depends on the game. In the majority of live 1/2 games there really aren't enough people 3 betting light to have a 4b bluff work.

I 5-bet shoved all-in once against an internet pro in a $.25/$.50 home cash game that he was playing in for craps and giggles. We were both about 200 BB's deep. Later he told me that he was 4-bet bluffing me.

Aside from that, no I do not have a 4-bet bluffing range at any game 5/10 or smaller unless I have a read that someone is capable of light 3-betting. Those players are so few and far between that I can't remember ever doing it.

4 bet bluff ranges at 1-2 -----100bb are basically non existent and should be.

1- 3 bets are almost always huge hands (by others)
2- The opens are so large that the 3 bet is huge, making a 4 bet bluff so big that it is well over the max amt. u should ever 4 bet bluff with.

Now, all that DOES DO is promote 4 bet shoving when you "think" the 3 bet could be light, but the 3 bet is so big that it is worth the shove of 100bb. (There is always a solution to a problem)

More and more we WILL see light 3 betting at 1-2. The game is evolving and will become more prevalent. But I imagine 4 bet shoving will be the answer to that way more than 4 bet bluffing. Not giving the villain the last right of initiative is vital depending on your holding.

NO.

In the average 1-2 game I play in. An 8 hour session will see about five 3 bets... four of them will be made by me. I don't really find a need for a 4 bet bluffing range.