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Old 08-25-2010, 12:33 PM   #16
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Re: Crappy river card 1/2 NL at Foxwoods

I tanked for about 20 seconds and mucked face up... and he proudly showed red pocket 10's. Whoops
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Old 08-25-2010, 01:15 PM   #17
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I was at table with OP, he should describe Villain more in this hand than he did. MP had a solemn, serious presence with a flat vintage baseball hat, dressed sort of thuggish, but his demeanor was very aggressive probably internet player. He took his time with all of his actions, and wasn't talking at all. I agree it looks like OP is getting value-towned, but if OP is calling turn, I think he should be calling just about all rivers to moderate-sized bets, too. OP should think that MP knows the river is a gin bluff card for him, and that he's going to bet a huge portion of his range on that river. When I was watching the hand, I just didn't give MP credit for 3-barreling a flush draw there, and it'd be hard for him to have any Ax hand except AK. I think it should have been a call, but you can't always think above level 1 and be profitable at 1/2 at FW either.
Based on that information I snap call.
I would guess QQ/JJ shows up here a lot.
He bets the flop, hero calls. With the UTG limp, that looks like a weak K or flush draw. Maybe AK, but unlikely.
Turn bricks, hero checks, so stabby mcstab pants takes another shot to get hero off of the draw. Hero calls. Villain is thinking that AK would have announced itself by now.
When the A hits and hero checks again, everything lines up great for the villain. He knows the hero could not have been on the nut draw, based on previous action AK is unlikely, and most players bet the flush when it hits if they were drawing to it. The A caused shrinkage for any weak K.
This is why KJ sucks OOP. Hero had the best hand, but was at a disdvantage throughout against an aggressive player.
I am a pretty big nit, but if this guy comes across as a player, I likely fold this pre. If I don't I am trying to take control of the hand by the turn, if not on the flop.
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Old 08-25-2010, 05:36 PM   #18
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Re: Crappy river card 1/2 NL at Foxwoods

Whatever he has, it might not make sense, but it beats you. He's never, ever doing this for value with a worse hand than yours on the river, and it's tough for him to have complete air. You are not getting a great price to call in a spot where I doubt you are good more than 10% of the time.

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When I was watching the hand, I just didn't give MP credit for 3-barreling a flush draw there, and it'd be hard for him to have any Ax hand except AK. I think it should have been a call, but you can't always think above level 1 and be profitable at 1/2 at FW either.
If he's incapable of multi-barreling a flush draw or an air-but-Ace-high hand, how can he be all that capable of multi-barreling a complete air hand? How often can anyone with sense value bet KT or such in this spot?

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I tanked for about 20 seconds and mucked face up... and he proudly showed red pocket 10's. Whoops
This is an aberration and you can rest-assured happens very infrequently in a situation like this at your average 1/2 NL table.
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Old 08-25-2010, 06:15 PM   #19
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Re: Crappy river card 1/2 NL at Foxwoods

you coulda check/shoved
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Old 08-25-2010, 06:40 PM   #20
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you coulda check/shoved
Sexy as a move that is, how many of us can really do that, while sober and winning, in the heat of the moment?
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