He claimed he had hearts too, after mucking.

88 on a 9-7-6 two tone flop isn't a big draw.

It's a trap hand (unless the SPR is really small).

Stacked a guy last night using a passive line with the nut flush draw in a spot where i formerly would have semibluffed. Worked out great cause the guy thought since he had KK PF he should win the hand no matter what.

Thanks again Setsy for helping to plug another leak! Good work.

But, do you think he folds to your raise? Sounds like you get him no matter what here....just less risk/variance....which is also the point of playing bigger draws this way.

No he was not folding.

This is a very nice job, Setsy. Lots of time, effort and thought.

May all your draws hit

Nice post,

Concept #9 is one I have understood for a while but for some reason often choose to ignore.

I dont have a huge amount of time right now and skimmed it pretty quick but im gonna reread just as soon as I can.

Thank you for the kind words. I will settle for all my Big Draws hitting .

I've got another big draw hand, and I'd like to discuss my turn raise.

1-2 home game, early in the night, around 3rd orbit.

Villain ($300) - 2nd time vs in this home game, not a lot of history vs Hero. Pretty TAG image, never limps, positionally aware.

1 limper, villain raises from CO to $11. Hero ($500) Q9 calls. Blinds fold. Limper calls.

I feel Q9s is worth seeing a flop in position against a likely steal attempt, not necessarily worth trying to resteal with. Limper is passive fit or folder, unconcerned about a repop.

Flop ($34) Q96

Limper checks. V bets $15 Hero calls. Limper folds.

Mildly worried about s, but I like having a customer with a stealty 2p in position.

Turn ($64) 4

V bets $30. Hero min-raises $60. V folds.

Now, I know a min raise can be considered an aggressive move, but I'm hoping V has a QK or QJ that can call here. I feel my hand at this point is just too strong not to try and squeeze a little more out of the hand. But is it the opposite? Should I have just called with such a strong hand, hoping he thinks I'm on FD and let him fire on the river?

Thoughts?

I would raise on the flop. There are tons of draws that you need to price out (spades, JT, 87) and villain can have plenty of worse hands that call you. The turn card is beautiful. As played, I raise much more than $30. Probably around $115. The problem here is we can't get stacks in, but I would love to be able to in this situation.

I dislike the whole hand.

I think I'd rather 3bet preflop vs a guy who never limps (which means his raising range here vs one limper is very wide). We have a meh dominated hand, I'd rather end this now (or on a flop cbet) than just try to magically catch a hand with this piece of crap.

I raise the flop. We most likely have the best hand with deepish stacks and a drawy board, let's start getting some money in.

Minraising a drawy board on the turn is horrible, IMO. We just offered him 5:1 so he can now correctly chase his draw.

I don't think this hand really applies as a big drawing hand since we've already got quite a big made hand (top two should often be the best hand here).

GmehG

+1

Not sure why this hand is in this thread?

Meh... I took the concept of TP with FD and thought it could apply to 2p. I see your point of it being inapplicable.

I hate how that Q9 hand was played. Raise flop for value and raise turn bigger.

Anyway, something I'd like to touch on is OP's concept of calling with draws we do have while being prepared to rep an additional draw that we don't have.

For example:

EP raises and we call on the BTN with 56

Flop: 23J

EP c-bets and we call.

When I'm in situations like this, I basically treat my hand as if hearts are outs in addition to the 4s that complete our straight. Online, I might raise this flop; live, I prefer a call (villain dependent, obviously) as we rarely have enough FE to make the semi-bluff profitable.

When the turn comes 8 and EP checks, I'm fully prepared to fire on the turn and shove river, whether or not our 4 ever comes.

Something that I struggled with when transitioning from online to live poker is managing my "skill advantage". Too often was I trying to win EVERY pot because "hey, I'm better, I can easily outplay this donk."

This is problematic for a couple of well-documented reasons:

(1) open-raises are much larger in live poker and it's very difficult to create enough post-flop pressure because the stack sizes will often be too small relative to the pot.

(2) even if you succeed in creating that pressure, live donks may call down anyway just to see your hand.

Now, when I "make moves," I make sure it's in situations like the above, where I still have draws to the nuts (or significant equity) even if my plan doesn't work out on a prior street. Just make sure villain isn't a total drooler and is capable of making a laydown from time to time.

It's a bit off topic but I have a general strategy question regarding draws:

At $1/2 and $2/5 a 4-way limped pot, do you lead a non-nut flush draw on a semi-wet board when first to act?

Example: You have Q4hh in the SB. CO limps, HJ limps, you complete, bb checks.

Flop comes Kd 8h 7h

you act first, check or bet?