Concept of the Month - Scared Money
06-25-2010
, 04:23 PM
06-25-2010
, 10:28 PM
01-06-2011
, 02:25 AM
01-20-2011
, 01:15 AM
The best time to put scared money to the test is if you know they are about to leave. This is my favorite scared money hand in over 7 years of LLSNL play.
Example: $1/$2 NL. Villain bought in for $70, folds a lot pre and calls some things that she shouldn't post, generally very passive - almost a mouse except some puzzling calls. At one point she was up to $200, but she played a hand poorly and is down to $120
Recently villain's friends have come into the poker room from the table game area and they are hovering. She is about to leave. This is probably her last hand.
Hero is in C/O with >$200 holding 7
8
Villain is BB with $120
Surprisingly it folds around to Hero who raises to $10
Button and SB fold, but Villain calls.
Flop
a
9
5
Villain donk-bets for $20
Hero looks at her stack and raises it to $45 (despite having a very aggro table image at this point...Hero definitely going through a LAGtard phase at this stage of my poker development).
It seems like such a little thing for her to call $25 in a $85 pot, but that would put her below her $70 buy-in for the first time all-day. Her thoughts showed on her face as if it were a HDTV.
<smug look>I know my hand is better. He's full of it. (good read)
<lingering doubt creeps in>Well there is still a very small chance he could have something or draw something to beat me.
<working confidence back up> Well, he probably doesn't. I KNOW he's full of it.
<conflicted> BUT if I fold now I can guarantee that I go home a winner.
<angry> I'LL BET HE IS DOING THIS JUST TO PRESSURE ME! He might not stop here either.
<resigned>I'll bet he puts it all-in if I call. I really can't do that now.
This whole movie played out rather quickly, then she gets mad about the $20 she just donked. She says, "JERKOFF!" (for the record I was doing no such thing) and she mucks her cards. They hit the felt and bounce over and I see AQ as she storms off to the cage to book a $20 profit. At this point I could have been a real jerkoff and showed the bluff, but I smiled and mucked quietly as the pot was shipped.
She was easy to spot:
1) Min allowable buy-in for the game and unfamiliar with live betting mechanics
2) Old dude next to her was chatting her up. There were multiple clues that she was in over her head (her job for one and some other talk that made it seem like she was a very frugal shopper, possibly some debt issues.
3) I would have never been able to make this move if her friends texted her. I did it because they were hovering. It was clear they were impatient to leave.
I play for fun and have a good salary. I wouldn't have even done this to someone who needed the money as much as I think she did but:
1) Why the hell is she in a casino gambling if she can't afford it? and
2) Some of the profit she was trying to book came out of my stack and I wanted it back.
Example: $1/$2 NL. Villain bought in for $70, folds a lot pre and calls some things that she shouldn't post, generally very passive - almost a mouse except some puzzling calls. At one point she was up to $200, but she played a hand poorly and is down to $120
Recently villain's friends have come into the poker room from the table game area and they are hovering. She is about to leave. This is probably her last hand.
Hero is in C/O with >$200 holding 7
8Villain is BB with $120
Surprisingly it folds around to Hero who raises to $10
Button and SB fold, but Villain calls.
Flop
a
95Villain donk-bets for $20
Hero looks at her stack and raises it to $45 (despite having a very aggro table image at this point...Hero definitely going through a LAGtard phase at this stage of my poker development).
It seems like such a little thing for her to call $25 in a $85 pot, but that would put her below her $70 buy-in for the first time all-day. Her thoughts showed on her face as if it were a HDTV.
<smug look>I know my hand is better. He's full of it. (good read)
<lingering doubt creeps in>Well there is still a very small chance he could have something or draw something to beat me.
<working confidence back up> Well, he probably doesn't. I KNOW he's full of it.
<conflicted> BUT if I fold now I can guarantee that I go home a winner.
<angry> I'LL BET HE IS DOING THIS JUST TO PRESSURE ME! He might not stop here either.
<resigned>I'll bet he puts it all-in if I call. I really can't do that now.
This whole movie played out rather quickly, then she gets mad about the $20 she just donked. She says, "JERKOFF!" (for the record I was doing no such thing) and she mucks her cards. They hit the felt and bounce over and I see AQ as she storms off to the cage to book a $20 profit. At this point I could have been a real jerkoff and showed the bluff, but I smiled and mucked quietly as the pot was shipped.
She was easy to spot:
1) Min allowable buy-in for the game and unfamiliar with live betting mechanics
2) Old dude next to her was chatting her up. There were multiple clues that she was in over her head (her job for one and some other talk that made it seem like she was a very frugal shopper, possibly some debt issues.
3) I would have never been able to make this move if her friends texted her. I did it because they were hovering. It was clear they were impatient to leave.
I play for fun and have a good salary. I wouldn't have even done this to someone who needed the money as much as I think she did but:
1) Why the hell is she in a casino gambling if she can't afford it? and
2) Some of the profit she was trying to book came out of my stack and I wanted it back.
01-20-2011
, 01:23 AM
The best time to put scared money to the test is if you know they are about to leave. This is my favorite scared money hand in over 7 years of LLSNL play.
Example: $1/$2 NL. Villain bought in for $70, folds a lot pre and calls some things that she shouldn't post, generally very passive - almost a mouse except some puzzling calls. At one point she was up to $200, but she played a hand poorly and is down to $120
Recently villain's friends have come into the poker room from the table game area and they are hovering. She is about to leave. This is probably her last hand.
Hero is in C/O with >$200 holding 78
Villain is BB with $120
Surprisingly it folds around to Hero who raises to $10
Button and SB fold, but Villain calls.
Flop
a95
Villain donk-bets for $20
Hero looks at her stack and raises it to $45 (despite having a very aggro table image at this point...Hero definitely going through a LAGtard phase at this stage of my poker development).
It seems like such a little thing for her to call $25 in a $85 pot, but that would put her below her $70 buy-in for the first time all-day. Her thoughts showed on her face as if it were a HDTV.
<smug look>I know my hand is better. He's full of it. (good read)
<lingering doubt creeps in>Well there is still a very small chance he could have something or draw something to beat me.
<working confidence back up> Well, he probably doesn't. I KNOW he's full of it.
<conflicted> BUT if I fold now I can guarantee that I go home a winner. <angry> I'LL BET HE IS DOING THIS JUST TO PRESSURE ME! He might not stop here either.
<resigned>I'll bet he puts it all-in if I call. I really can't do that now.
This whole movie played out rather quickly, then she gets mad about the $20 she just donked. She says, "JERKOFF!" (for the record I was doing no such thing) and she mucks her cards. They hit the felt and bounce over and I see AQ as she storms off to the cage to book a $20 profit.
She was easy to spot:
1) Min allowable buy-in for the room and unfamiliar with live betting mechanics
2) Old dude next to her was chatting her up. There were multiple clues that she was in over her head (her job for one and some other talk that made it seem like she was a very frugal shopper, possibly some debt issues.
3) I would have never been able to make this move if her friends texted her. I did it because they were hovering. It was clear they were impatient to leave.
I play for fun and have a good salary. I wouldn't have even done this to someone who needed the money as much as I think she did but:
1) Why the hell is she in a casino gambling if she can't afford it? and
2) Some of the profit she was trying to book came out of my stack and I wanted it back.
Example: $1/$2 NL. Villain bought in for $70, folds a lot pre and calls some things that she shouldn't post, generally very passive - almost a mouse except some puzzling calls. At one point she was up to $200, but she played a hand poorly and is down to $120
Recently villain's friends have come into the poker room from the table game area and they are hovering. She is about to leave. This is probably her last hand.
Hero is in C/O with >$200 holding 7
8Villain is BB with $120
Surprisingly it folds around to Hero who raises to $10
Button and SB fold, but Villain calls.
Flop
a
95Villain donk-bets for $20
Hero looks at her stack and raises it to $45 (despite having a very aggro table image at this point...Hero definitely going through a LAGtard phase at this stage of my poker development).
It seems like such a little thing for her to call $25 in a $85 pot, but that would put her below her $70 buy-in for the first time all-day. Her thoughts showed on her face as if it were a HDTV.
<smug look>I know my hand is better. He's full of it. (good read)
<lingering doubt creeps in>Well there is still a very small chance he could have something or draw something to beat me.
<working confidence back up> Well, he probably doesn't. I KNOW he's full of it.
<conflicted> BUT if I fold now I can guarantee that I go home a winner. <angry> I'LL BET HE IS DOING THIS JUST TO PRESSURE ME! He might not stop here either.
<resigned>I'll bet he puts it all-in if I call. I really can't do that now.
This whole movie played out rather quickly, then she gets mad about the $20 she just donked. She says, "JERKOFF!" (for the record I was doing no such thing) and she mucks her cards. They hit the felt and bounce over and I see AQ as she storms off to the cage to book a $20 profit.
She was easy to spot:
1) Min allowable buy-in for the room and unfamiliar with live betting mechanics
2) Old dude next to her was chatting her up. There were multiple clues that she was in over her head (her job for one and some other talk that made it seem like she was a very frugal shopper, possibly some debt issues.
3) I would have never been able to make this move if her friends texted her. I did it because they were hovering. It was clear they were impatient to leave.
I play for fun and have a good salary. I wouldn't have even done this to someone who needed the money as much as I think she did but:
1) Why the hell is she in a casino gambling if she can't afford it? and
2) Some of the profit she was trying to book came out of my stack and I wanted it back.
01-21-2011
, 07:34 AM
01-22-2011
, 01:01 PM
01-22-2011
, 01:11 PM
05-24-2015
, 03:15 PM
bump
Couple Qs from OP: btw great thread and cotm. Well written OP also,,
LPN: "if they have a set the're calling to fill up by the river or fold"
Q - 'or fold' - on what kind of boards? which rivers? how much will they fold? how much will get the fold? how will they react to a shove?
RNs: "they raise big hands in position, limp them OOP...You should isolate their limps IP a lot"
Q - when they are IP or we are IP? You mentioned they are limping pps and axs and limping their big hands oop. So wouldn't we want to iso them when they are IP rather than oop? Because they would have raised their big hands IP if they had 1? At the same time you could have meant we should iso them a lot when we are IP, which is obv.
Just trying to get clarity to improve my game, that is all. You do not contradict yourself at all, but if I can't comprehend a certain part, its ev for me to gain clarity. thanks
nice, i agree. I'm also a fan of your created threads
yes, this is the juicy stuff ive been looking for. How can I exploit an image.
noted
Yeh, that's why I keep the affirmation application application correct app
noted
Great thread, also got some notes from venice and steamy
Couple Qs from OP: btw great thread and cotm. Well written OP also,,
LPN: "if they have a set the're calling to fill up by the river or fold"
Q - 'or fold' - on what kind of boards? which rivers? how much will they fold? how much will get the fold? how will they react to a shove?
RNs: "they raise big hands in position, limp them OOP...You should isolate their limps IP a lot"
Q - when they are IP or we are IP? You mentioned they are limping pps and axs and limping their big hands oop. So wouldn't we want to iso them when they are IP rather than oop? Because they would have raised their big hands IP if they had 1? At the same time you could have meant we should iso them a lot when we are IP, which is obv.
Just trying to get clarity to improve my game, that is all. You do not contradict yourself at all, but if I can't comprehend a certain part, its ev for me to gain clarity. thanks
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I would venture that almost everyone has been a LPN and a LSR at some point or another.
I will venture to say there are a ton of LSR people out there. I even will go so far as to say that the majority of the typical sslnl players fit this category. Think about it a second... Just how many people have the ability and discipline to save for a 10 to 30 buy-in roll BEFORE playing.
Something I think should also put in there about the LSR is that while this player tends to play bad because of their BR issues, that does not mean that this player is not a good player. If they can get their BR demons under control they can and do play well, assuming they have it in them to begin with.
I will venture to say there are a ton of LSR people out there. I even will go so far as to say that the majority of the typical sslnl players fit this category. Think about it a second... Just how many people have the ability and discipline to save for a 10 to 30 buy-in roll BEFORE playing.
Something I think should also put in there about the LSR is that while this player tends to play bad because of their BR issues, that does not mean that this player is not a good player. If they can get their BR demons under control they can and do play well, assuming they have it in them to begin with.
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also i think a point not stated is ur table image and knowing how ppl perceive you...maybe this doesnt fit into this month's cotm but knowing what ppl think of you is really important...for example ive found that when i have my hoodie and ipod on, suddently not every pot i get involved is family. livedonks get scared really easily its absurd...i also dont like bluffing much until ive shown down a winner a couple times. once you have the people thinking youre good and know what youre doing, its license to abuse everyone and make them cry
Yeh, that's why I keep the affirmation application application correct app
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One thing about the LPN's is that they are great prison rape candidates. Because when they do show strength, they're not considering absolute vs. relative strength and can't find a fold. I also notice this a lot with guys between 50 and 60 y.o. If they flop trips with any kicker, they're totally willing to get ai for ~150BB regardless of the straight/flush/boat/trips better kicker possibilities.
Great thread, also got some notes from venice and steamy
12-01-2017
, 03:48 PM
Hey guys, thnx for the thread and all the tips within it. I live in Albania and the tables here are full of these kind of SM players. Wish I had a decent bankroll , I would sure have a great edge over most of them! I'm building it though and will be there soon. Meanwhile I so much enjoy reading threads, books and I try to digest most of the information by rereading all the new concepts. I just can't stop reading these threads. Thanks a lot guys for your contribution 