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completing A6-A9o SB 1/2? completing A6-A9o SB 1/2?

05-23-2017 , 04:41 AM
What's the point when there's 6+ people in the pot? Obviously from an equity point of view it's great. But when there's that many people in the pot what are we hoping to accompish? Flop top top on a low flop that's probably not gonna be top pair by the river or even the turn? Flop an ace and get a single street of value? Flop a mono flop with the nut suit and not get paid off that much cause flush with one card is nowhere near as good as flush with both?
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05-23-2017 , 04:47 AM
Flop 2 pair+ imo
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05-23-2017 , 04:52 AM
I always muck
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05-23-2017 , 08:38 AM
Offsuit aces worse then ATo are not worth completing if it's going multiway. It is a big leak that a lot of otherwise half decent players make. Flopping one pair is generally -EV. You check/fold so many flops that what you win when you hit two pair+ can't cover it. ATo/AJo and suited aces can be playable when stacks are deep but are mostly folds.

For the most part out of the blinds aces are either raising hands or should be folded.
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05-23-2017 , 04:00 PM
And what about offsuit wheel aces? Surely being able to barrel gutshots and hit them sometimes makes it worth it?
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05-23-2017 , 06:17 PM
Really should be a suited wheel ace and you could raise with that. I'm not going to disagree with calling $1 to see a flop and playing carefully after though. Do not plan to win a 6-7 player pot by bluffing.
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05-23-2017 , 06:30 PM
I like never completing the small blind with anything because it makes me look weird and nitty.

If I did ever complete the small blind I wouldn't do so with any offsuit aces.
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05-23-2017 , 08:04 PM
The offsuit wheel draws are even worse. When you do flop a draw it's always gut shot and it is never to the nuts and with 4+ other villains in the hand that is a problem. With A5 you will get a flop like A34 and think your good. Only to run into AJ that kills you when the straight doesn't get there and 56 that kills you when it does. That is rare but it doesn't take many hands like that which are huge -EV to kill the profits from the occasional hit.

This is one of the complexities of having a lot of villains in a hand. Your odds are much better but anything short of the nuts goes down in value. If there is one limper and it goes 3 ways to the flop you there is a good chance your ace is good. If it's 6 ways to the flop then any single pair is thin value at best.
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05-23-2017 , 08:15 PM
I've noticed a good reg at my game who rarely limps into pots but when he does he always seems to have AXs.

I half saw him gii 3ways with AQs for the nut flush in what I thought had been a limped pot. He was in EP so I asked him after the hand if he had open limped AQs? He said "No, I called a raise". Then I realised not only had he open limped but he'd called a raise out of the blinds and triggered a 6 way pot that ended with him taking down a £800 pot.

He also really didn't seem keen on having a discussion about his strategy of open limping big suited aces in EP.
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05-23-2017 , 09:39 PM
A9 is much much better than A6 imo so I happily call. I also call with A6. Calling with A6o maybe reduces my hourly win rate by a couple dollars but I don't really care. Maybe I should?
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05-24-2017 , 05:16 PM
Contemplating any SB completion here with any hand is like walking into a Star Trek convention dressed as Han Solo and yelling Captain Kirk is a limp wristed douche. There seems to be a cult about SB completion here. That said, if the pot is multiway, I'll complete suited aces, mid connectors 89+ and small pockets. Hands that can essentially make the nuts and won't get me into trouble.
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05-24-2017 , 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by eric5556
A9 is much much better than A6 imo so I happily call. I also call with A6. Calling with A6o maybe reduces my hourly win rate by a couple dollars but I don't really care. Maybe I should?
I'm pretty confident as a live player that you have no idea what it costs you play A6. Based on analysis from the online world years ago, you lose more money with that hand than any other hand in poker.

And yes, that includes 72o. Think about why.
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