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02-07-2017 , 07:21 PM
Live 1/2 NL

Been at the table for about 3 hours, table is extremely passive with a ton of limped pots. Hero has $220 and villain has about $400. Villain showed down one huge bluff, and is running over the table a bit over the last hour. Not doing anything crazy out of line, but is definitely taking advantage of how passive the rest of the table is (squeezing when everyone limps, very high % of c-bets).

3 limpers from early position
Villain raised to $15 from the hijack
Hero 3 bets to $45 from the button with KQ

Thought process: Villain has been taking advantage of position and squeezing pretty often, so I think he has a pretty wide range here. I haven't 3 bet him yet, and think that my image is pretty tight (although it's live 1/2 idk how much stock anyone is putting into image). Seemed like a good spot to put some pressure on him and take it down preflop a large % of the time.

Flop: 497 (Pot: $99)
Villain checks
Hero bets $60
Villain calls $60 (Pot: $219)

Turn: J
Check/Check

River: 2
Check/Check

Villain show TT and takes it down.

I guess my question is is this just complete and utter spew? Should I just be flatting on the button? When I completely miss the flop should I be c-betting this? When I do fire on the flop and he calls, should I be jamming turn or just shutting down like I did?

I felt like I put some thought into the hand, but the more I look at it the more it seems like I just donked off $105 for absolutely no reason.
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02-07-2017 , 07:42 PM
3-bet is standard here.

Flop bet is too big. $50 I don't even mind something like $40, but probably not here.

Never checking turn, easy bet all-in.
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02-07-2017 , 07:46 PM
Hand is played fine. Sometimes with position, I will check back these low flops to more credibly represent an pair if an overcard comes, but if you think he will fitnfold this, a cbet is fine. I'd say you mostly ran into the top of his range here.

Just note that he is willing to check down a mid pair and move on.
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02-07-2017 , 07:47 PM
Played fine, if you're passive and not interested in making money.

We picked up equity on the turn. Our Villain has basically AK/AQ type of hands, 99TT88JJ hands.

We're representing quite a big hand on a passive table. We either have JJ/QQ/KK/AA or AK/AQ type of hands. We block QQ/KK so it's unlikely he has those, so really he most likely has a boat, or an underpair or a better high card hand. Easy easy bet
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02-07-2017 , 09:49 PM
What hand did you put him on? What hand did you put him putting you on?

If you had QQ how would you have played the hand? bet flop and bomb turn....well continue with your story.

A better villain would have bet river for value believing you had AK.

Not spew, but definitely misplayed.
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02-07-2017 , 10:09 PM
3bet too big for your stack size, flop bet too big for your stack size as well.

As played turn is all in after committing half your stack. You pick up equity if called, and your fold equity should be huge. He shouldn't have any strong hands in his range, as they should all 4bet pre, not sure why his TT didn't.

I'd personally just call pre with your stack size. You are not deep enough to 3bet here as a bluff / semi bluff and KhQh is too weak to 3bet and too strong to fold. If you were deeper - $400ish i'd happily 3bet and KhQh is a fantastic 3betting hand and totally standard.

He should of just 4bet jammed against you for only $200 after going $15/$45 as he is making life hard on himself for just calling vs a BTN 3bet. TT is plenty good to 4bet jam here in this spot vs an active 3better on the BTN.
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02-07-2017 , 10:16 PM
looks good to me, i wouldn't play it any differently. with your SPR on the turn ~0.5 i don't think you're getting many folds out of villain. undecided if i would check or shove turn if it was a heart
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02-07-2017 , 10:37 PM
I hate 3-betting here. Villain limps a lot of pots. I've seen villains with VPIP/PFR spreads of like 60/3. I'd guess his open raising range is ~6-7%. We're in position with a beautiful hand, let's take a flop (aware that playing for stacks with 1p is super RIO against villain's range). It's not terrible (I think it's +EV), I just think calling might be more +EV.

I'd contemplate shoving the turn. You're targeting Ax that peeled + TT/88, which is maybe 25 combos after discounting Ax not always peeling? Villain didn't 4-bet and you have blockers, so I guess AA/KK/QQ can't be more than let's say 8 combos? JJ + 99 are 6 more. Actually I'm having a hard time not arguing for a shove. You're going to have 10-15% equity against most hands that call which kind of stinks, but I'm having a hard time finding less than 50% FE on a shove which makes it profitable on its own.
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02-08-2017 , 12:59 AM
I dont really want to 3bet a lag player with KQs in position, I'd rather establish an image of being sticky and calling a lot since essentially thats what we're going to have to do in the longrun to beat him anyway. I expect him to continue on a lot of boards that he might be dominated on if he misreads us for weakness when he makes a pair. Furthermore I expect him to shut down the vast majority of the time when we play back at him because he knows people are waiting to get him. As a result I think this is a rather poor board for us to cbet on when we do 3bet preflop. He's likely to call a 3bet just as wide as he's raising due to perceived implied odds, and boards like this should connect with his range better than ours. It doesnt matter if we rep AA every time, if he has 56, 67, 8T etc he wont care. In fact what we dont want to do is be so transparent that we are repping big hands all the time, at least not if we actually have big hands. I'd much rather 3bet him loose with something like 78s or JTo than KQs, hands that we can more comfortably bluff with postflop when the flop has an ace or a king, or hands that have good equity when the flop is low and drawy and even have some blocking potential so that if we spike a weak pair we still have showdown value after getting sick value from semi-bluffing a couple of streets.
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02-08-2017 , 09:48 AM
No, this hand is very well played. Do you know which turns you'd shove OP?
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02-08-2017 , 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by djevans
3bet too big for your stack size, flop bet too big for your stack size as well.

As played turn is all in after committing half your stack. You pick up equity if called, and your fold equity should be huge. He shouldn't have any strong hands in his range, as they should all 4bet pre, not sure why his TT didn't.

I'd personally just call pre with your stack size. You are not deep enough to 3bet here as a bluff / semi bluff and KhQh is too weak to 3bet and too strong to fold. If you were deeper - $400ish i'd happily 3bet and KhQh is a fantastic 3betting hand and totally standard.

He should of just 4bet jammed against you for only $200 after going $15/$45 as he is making life hard on himself for just calling vs a BTN 3bet. TT is plenty good to 4bet jam here in this spot vs an active 3better on the BTN.
But he hasn't been actively 3betting. I don't think 1010 is strong enough to get it in here vs live ranges.
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02-08-2017 , 01:39 PM
Hand is played fine IMO. Sometimes 3-betting pre sometimes calling, but if I'm 3-betting I use your sizing. Flop c-bet is fine too, maybe $50 is better.

Once V calls flops he's pretty committed. I would probably shove if an ace hits as a bluff, or a k or Q hits for value. J is not a great card to bluff for me. How many Jx hands do we 3-bet pre? JJ and maybe AJ. V could also easily have JJ here.

If we were deeper we could barrel representing an overpair, but I don't think V finds a fold enough to a 1/2 pot bet here to do so.
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02-08-2017 , 01:42 PM
oh, I misread the villain read. I take back the whole 3bet comment.
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02-08-2017 , 01:50 PM
Turn is an overpair to the board and gives you 4 extra outs with T to add to your K and Q. If you've taken this line preflop and on the flop then turn is great spot to push in your stack IMO.
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02-09-2017 , 11:09 AM
Pre I personally would call 60% of the time and 3-bet 40% of the time depending on the table dynamics as well as V's perceived opening range. Against a player who is squeezing wide it's very likely he will call your 3-bet in order to protect his raising range, so I would expect to see a lot of flops.

As played, I like the flop bet, and would also jam the turn on any heart. The J on the turn is close between shove and check, checking essentially means you're giving up as the SPR is so low and you're shoving almost all of your value hands in this spot I would assume.

As someone said above, note that villain checked back TT on 2 streets post flop and move on

Was is spewey? Absolutely not
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