1/2 NL - $100 max buy in.

Villain 1 - mid 20s male. headphones on in one ear has been sitting down for about 30 minutes but seems to be a great player. Dealers know him by name as well as the other players. We've been chatting it up and he seems to be an extremely competent player. has raised a couple pots at smart times. ~ $85

Villain 2 - typical fish. More aggro then most, have seen him shove with mediocre holdings. Saw me build from $90 to $350 so I may be seen as a strong player but I wouldn't put him as somebody who would notice.

Hero - white 20s male, villain saw me flop a full house. (pocket 5s on a AA 5 board, I checked the flop) I butchered the full house in terms of getting value. talking with villain 1, mentioned "apparently I'm not so good with bet sizing".

Hero is on BTN
Villain 1 is on my immediate right.
5 limpers to hero who has KJ and raises to $10
folds to villain 2 in MP who calls.
folds to villain 1 who calls
$37 in the pot

Flop comes 8 J Q rainbow
checks around to hero
Hero bets $15
villain 1 calls
villain 2 goes all in for $58 on top
hero...?

What stake and BI limit?

sorry, 1/2 - $100 max

Kind of meh spot TBH. Its really hard to range him with stacks being short. Short stack games are crazy. If I'm estimating correctly villain should show up with tp.

Just fold an move on.

Having tough time reading V1 as a good player given the action thus far.

He may know the lingo and talk as if he's good, but there are a lot of such players that are actually quite horrible.

Can't see V1 holding much, unless he was attempting to keep V2 in the hand, and V2 is a wild card.


140:58, and if V1 calls, it's 200:58.

I am calling here.

Given it's a rainbow flop the only draw he could possibliy be pushing is KT. If he's got a hand it's almost certainly better than yours. There's 140 in the pot and it's 58 to you so you are only getting 2.4-1 which isn't even close if you are behind. You've got another player behind you who can make you put even more money in the pot, most likely drawing slim to dead. Pretty easy fold, imo.

I thought it was an easy fold, but also, if villain is THAT strong does he push me off of my hand? I know he is very understanding of bet sizing and getting max value. or am I just crazy talking myself in to calling?

Don't level yourself. This is 2+2 we use advance thinking here. Don't go into the games thinking your opponents know about the logic and probability we use here.

that's what I was looking for. villain showed up with a worse J but I think most of the time here I am way behind. Thanks.

Did he have a redraw? If not no way villain is decent. What do you think villain wanted to get value from? Sounds like a terrible player if you ask me.

Title of thread does not match the summary of the villain. He says the villain is a big fish in summary yet the title says competent player.

I am not sure if the OP knows how to read players images. He just posted a thread asking what barreling and squeeze meant. Maybe im wrong though.

I did notice that. I realized it was just a bad op. So I gave advice as if the fishy villain was the competent"lol"Reg.

An OESD is not that strong.... When you are betting out big with OESD you are hoping someone folds. So yes, if he did have just a draw he is hoping that you fold.....

You have middle pair. You're probably behind, unless you know this guy has a bluffing range, it is an easy fold. You are only beating a bluff/semi-bluff.

Fold or shove, I'd fold

Grunch

I fold. Such short stacks, this is a shove fest, and you should be aware of that before you cbet that pretty much when you raise be prepared to go all in. I don't think he's shoving with 2nd pair or worse, he may be putting on an over pair or TP type of hand, and I'd expect 2pair here a lot.