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Old 05-19-2017, 12:57 PM   #1
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Check river, or bet out ourselves? Dry side pot

Pretty easy decision, yet I couldn't think of any logic for either checking river or betting it out. As it's impossible for me to bluffs there because of the dry side pot, and there isn't merit in checking it over to him to let him bluff at a dry side pot either. Does he get away if I shove, does he make a nitty check back with a flush?

Here's the hand live 1/3
Hero BB: $1,250
V1 MP: $300
V2 LP: $133
V3 OTB: $200

3 players limp
Hero checks in the BB with 55(black cards)

FLOP: $12 458dd
Hero bets $10
3 callers

TURN: $52 4o
Hero bets $100 (I've shown 2 draws that I overbet at this table already OTT)
V1 calls
V2 shoves for $120
we both call

RIVER: $412 (all side pot) 7d (V2 yells, how is that the ****ing river)
Hero: ???

V2 has about $170 left
I'm wanting to know how to get maximum value. I am 95% sure I'm good here and I want the money to go in.
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Old 05-19-2017, 01:08 PM   #2
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Re: Check river, or bet out ourselves? Dry side pot

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Old 05-19-2017, 01:09 PM   #3
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Re: Check river, or bet out ourselves? Dry side pot

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Old 05-19-2017, 01:13 PM   #4
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Re: Check river, or bet out ourselves? Dry side pot

I'd probably slightly overbet the flop to $15.

Not really a fan over our 2x PSB on the turn. Yeah, we've shown big bluff overbets with draws, but this will still likely fold out the draws (which we don't want). I'd be much cooler with a lol 2x PSB on the flop (where no one folds a draw) but the turn is much different in this regard. I'd probably go 2/3 PSB of like $30 - $35.

I don't see how anything other than a river shove is the play? Every draw got there, so if he had one, he might pay off (but will check back the worse draws). He's unlikely to have a draw that busted (which he can bluff, although he probably won't bluff into a protected pot anyways). If he has a weak hand, he's never going to bluff and he's never going to bet for thin value. Just shove (which is << 1/2 PSB) and hope he has something he considers paying off with.

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Old 05-19-2017, 01:16 PM   #5
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Re: Check river, or bet out ourselves? Dry side pot

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Old 05-19-2017, 01:41 PM   #6
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Re: Check river, or bet out ourselves? Dry side pot

Thanks guys, just couldn't figure out which way was better, I don't think it would be a massively EV loss either. I went and checked it he jammed I call and he said straight flush (he had 23dd) so I took down the pot lol

The overbet was pretty player dependant. Me and 2 other regs were sitting at this table just because of the 3 people involved in this hand (V3 tanked for a minute with Q8o closing turn action, he showed the other reg his hand)
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Old 05-19-2017, 01:56 PM   #7
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Re: Check river, or bet out ourselves? Dry side pot

2x turn bet seems perfectly ok to me. You'll get calls less often, but a lot more money when they do call. Really hard to say where that ends up for you EV wise, but instinctively it seems ok.
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Old 05-19-2017, 02:14 PM   #8
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Re: Check river, or bet out ourselves? Dry side pot

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2x turn bet seems perfectly ok to me. You'll get calls less often, but a lot more money when they do call. Really hard to say where that ends up for you EV wise, but instinctively it seems ok.
Specifically with these 3 players calling flop I don't think all of them are folding turn. Atleast 1 of them is coming along. $100 makes it $250 if V1 comes a long so an easy ~80% river shove

E/ it's a move I rarely make, circumstance only. The other 2 times I was bluff over betting turn was getting the regs off their mid/weak top pairs. They actually pay attention to the size of my overbet and realize I'm setting up a river shove for 200bbs
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