First time doing this. Want some critique of my play against V2. I'll probably mess some things up or be confusing on something so sorry in advance.

1/3NL
V1 loose & trying to go home- BB, $106
V2 good player- MP, $350ish
Hero- Button, 750ish, holding QJoff


I don't remember the number of limpers but I think it was 4 when Hero raised to 10 on the button.

V1 and V2 call.

Hero has QdJc
Flop, QsJd10s

V1 all in $96
V2 calls
Hero calls

Turn Js
V2 checks
Hero checks his full house...

River 2h
V2 checks, has 250ish
Hero bets $100
V2 calls

V1 Ks9s for straight flush and wins 300 pot
V2 7s8s for flush
Hero full house wins side pot.

My questions on my play.

Should I have checked the turn when I made the boat? I felt the need to let the player draw a free card.

Was $100 on the river too low? Should I have gone all in? Or maybe went a little over half his stack to try and get the rest of it in(V2 around 250ish)

The neighbor to V2 who seems to be a regular said V2 would have called an all in on the turn.

Raise bigger preflop.
Bet smaller on turn (60?). Shove river.

If he can find the fold with the flush gg to him.

Next time don't include villains' hands for unbiased opinion.

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Bet and see if you can put v2 allin by river. So many hands you beat.

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I'm going to bet the turn here. Flush got there, he could have a J though discounted, etc.

Probably could have just bet 1/2 pot to 3/4 pot on river, so basically all in for him (in future posts, please add pot size to each street). I would have bet at the very least $150.

What's weird to me is the $10 pre, but each game is different. Did you do that as a sweetener? I honestly can't believe any of the limpers folded, especially after BB called.

The Js improved a lot of his range. If you bet and he folds a Q, so be it. (If that does happen, what could've come on the river to make him stay anyway?) Otherwise, you get to set-up a river jam, which is what you really want.


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I'd bet $100 on turn. At some point with close to the nuts we have to get money in the dry side pot. If he liked his hand for $100 on the flop, it's unlikely he's folding for the same bet after the flush hits on turn.

Bet it. Villain already called a big bet on the flop and the main draw came in.

PF, I'm either overlimping or raising more. I hate the $10 raise.

OTTF, surprised nobody has talked about shoving here. There are so many combos the villain has that are behind here but will probably stack off, including KQ, QT, JT, J9, any flush draw. We hate so many turn cards I can't see how we're okay with a flat here.

I don't understand our preflop thinking at all; what was the point of the ~minraise? QJo is an extremely mediocre hand; why are we ~minraising to build a bloated multiway pot (as this raise size at any 1/3 NL table I've ever played at after limpers has zero FE)? I just overlimp it. If we're going to get creative with it, raise to $35 to have a chance at taking down the limps (a great result) or getting this HU in position with initiative (which will also likely be profitable). We took the absolute worst route (even worse than folding, imo).

Wow, we play 1/3 NL in different universes. There's 4 limpers, the BB calls the $10 ~minraise, and yet we narrowed this to 3ways? I can't wrap my head around this outcome. I guess you know your table.

What range are we putting good V2? Is he limp/calling AK/QQ/JJ/TT preflop after a small raise and shortstack fish calls in the BB? Highly doubt it, so I eliminate those hands. What is he calling a 3x PSB shove from the fish with the preflop raiser still to react behind him on this board? That's a weird call. Is he really calling that much on a draw not knowing if we're going to shove? I have zero clue what is going on in this universe, but we only have about a PSB left at this point and we've flopped two pair against a guy who really shouldn't have too many hands that beat us; I shove.

Next time post pot size on each street. If I've counted right V2 has about $244 left in a $320 pot. If he's a good player (although this is very questionable at this point), he won't call a shove to chase a draw on this paired board especially in a protected pot. So I'd make a lol bet that offers him to good of odds to pass up and just try to squeeze some more money out of him. I'd probably bet a lol $75. I don't like the check at all because one of the main draws got there and he'll start paying off (especially before a double paired board comes) and he still might chase fullhouse outs and it will be more difficult to get his stack in on the river (even though it is only a 3/4 PSB).

I would have shoved the river as played (it is still only a 3/4 PSB).

V2 is not a good player. His call preflop is suspect at the very least (although probably defensible for this price). His flop call of the huge overbet with the preflop raiser yet to act behind him on a board that should smack the preflop raiser is hilariously bad. He's a fish.

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I don't like the size of the raise preflop. Too easy for Vs to call $8 more & you only have 73% going to the flop vs. shytt like 97s & once 1 calls.....

I'd have to make it $30 where I play for them to seriously consider folding [if I've established a solid TAG image with emphasis on tight] & most often would be HU going to the flop. $35 even better. But hey, if I take down the money uncontested 40% of the time, that's sweet.

I would have bet something OTT. $50....give V2 with a draw the odds to see River. I didn't add up pot size but 40% psb is nice. Whatever I think he'll call. Then 1/2 psb OTR. Depends upon V2's demeanor. Again, whatever I think he'll call.

Just read gobbledygeek's post. Spot on. I don't bother tryin' to figure out what pot size is when OP doesn't give it.

Here is the way to post a hand:

OTTH

Effective Stacks: $1100

Villain opens to $20 UTG
UTG+1 calls
Folds to hero in SB
Hero raises KK to $80
BB folds
Villain thinks for a bit and raises to $200
UTG+1 folds
Hero ... ?

Show how much $$ in pot [raked] going to flop, turn & river & effective $$ behind each street.

Thanks for the replies.

To answer the raise to $10 it was based on a a few factors. The table for the most part was loose. I felt I was better than at least half the table. I had been playing for 8-9 hours at this point and was on a roller coaster. Started 300, down to 60, and back up with 750ish with no addon. Several of the players post flop game was incredibly week. V1 had made it known he was trying to go home not long ago with his 3 straight preflop all ins after a bad beat. So the $10 was more of a, lets bloat the pot because I'm confident I can outplay most the table. I also had been raising from late position a ton. Had a tight player to my left who I continuely raised small and stopped his limp to gain position for the hand.

Thanks for the critique on structuring the post. Im on iOS so I just typed it all out.

I guess my problem was I wanted him to act. He was reluctant to call the last $100, and upon losing he left the table one or two hands later with his last $140. Maybe I'm off about him being a good player. Maybe I'm not good? Lol.

Thanks again

Just default to betting your fat value hands for fat value in 1/3 and don't make any exceptions.

Yeah I agree just jam flop. You flopped two pair and v2 is gonna probably more likely to call with better odds on draws (regardless on flop you should have higher EV with two cards, better odds for him, and more money than one card on turn easy hand to play) now rather than later to call off.

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Checking the turn is bad because all his hands that call the flop, will have to call this turn.

Give him a range of hands - AQ / JT / flush draws and flushs / KQ / KJ / AJ / TT / 98 /

The only hand that can't call this turn that he could have is a hand like T9 or AT - but those shouldn't even call the flop.

If he is good he can fold his hands like AQ or KQ but that will be pretty difficult especially if they have a spade. like AsQx or KsQx

SO checking does absolutely nothing - every hand that is calling the flop has to call this turn.

Doesn't this apply to mostly all games?? IME there is almost never a good reason to slowplay.