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Call flop shove with underpair vs aggro? Call flop shove with underpair vs aggro?

07-25-2017 , 01:24 AM
Hello, it is my first time that i am writing on 2p2 and that only because i made a very very very very very questionable play.
I was going with my read, and totally forgot about the game theory, i'ts like my brain was grey in this hand.
Villain is a hyper agressive, who has been running well tonight but like always trying to bully people.
Hero is perceived as Tight agressive, capable of making good laydowns and thin valuebet.
1/2 Live
Effective Stacks 500
Hero is on the Button with 5c5s
Straddle Utg, Restraddle UTG+1, CO limps for 8, Hero raises to 55, Button Calls, Villain 3bets to 165. I was thinking that he was thinking i raised to take the dead money, and he knew that i cannot call with a bad hand since BU has called.
Anyway i knew it very well that low pocket pairs do not play good on 3bet pots but still i called since i thought i could outplay him in position.
BU folds.
Flop : 6h8c9s
Villain Checks, Hero bets 70 to know where i am at. Anyway he thinked for a bit and then reraised all in. I had like 270 behind and the pot was at around 700.

Is there any chance for him to have bluffs in this spot given the Villain image?
I mean the only bluff he can have is J10 and this is basically a coin flip, or maybeeee if he went crazy with AK since he blocks Aces and kings but i doubt that.
I know that every decision was bad in the hand, but still i want to know what you think about Villains Range.
Waiting impatiently to read cause i'ts eating my heart.

Last edited by Garick; 07-25-2017 at 08:17 AM. Reason: removed results
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07-25-2017 , 01:42 AM
huh?

you are almost getting direct odds to call if you assume that your 6 outs are good. Flop all in is a must call.

Only thing I really don't like is calling the 165 pre. You are almost always just crushed there.
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07-25-2017 , 01:45 AM
Ofc i called flop even though i knew i was beat, and given as played i think it's the correct call with 24 % equity. But yeah fold pre is all what i said to myself when i walked home almost heartbroken with my mistake. A lesson learned the hard way indeed.
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07-25-2017 , 07:02 AM
Prefer over-limping pre but raising is obviously okay. Maybe a bit smaller.

As played fold to the 3bet

As played flop bet is not that bad tbh... Maybe a bit bigger. I would prefer just x/b flop though.

As played you have to call when he jams.
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07-25-2017 , 07:42 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by liribvb
Straddle Utg, Restraddle UTG+1, CO limps for 8, Hero raises to 55, Button Calls, Villain 3bets to 165. I was thinking that he was thinking i raised to take the dead money,
It's easy to overthink this, but all a straddle and re-straddle does is turn this from a 1/2 game with 250bb stacks into a 4/8 game with stacks of 62.5bb stacks. A big 3bet is still a big 3bet.
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07-25-2017 , 09:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by liribvb
1/2 Live
Effective Stacks 500
Hero is on the Button with 5c5s
Straddle Utg, Restraddle UTG+1, CO limps for 8, Hero raises to 55, Button Calls, Villain 3bets to 165. I was thinking that he was thinking i raised to take the dead money, and he knew that i cannot call with a bad hand since BU has called.
Anyway i knew it very well that low pocket pairs do not play good on 3bet pots but still i called since i thought i could outplay him in position.
Bad call pre. Yes you have position, but he is a hyper-aggro and every flop will have overcards. With the double-straddle and your read about what he's likely doing, just shove it in his face if you're going to play. He'll fold some PPs above yours, which is a EV goldmine, and a bunch of hands with two cards above yours. Getting him to fold a near flip with that much dead money is also a goldmine. If he mostly has bigger overpairs, of course, it's suicide, but so is calling.

Quote:
BU folds.
Flop : 6h8c9s
Villain Checks, Hero bets 70 to know where i am at.
WTF does that even mean? The pot is bout tree fiddy, and you bet 1/5 pot. What is his reaction to that LOLbet going to tell you about where you are? If you don't know where you are, why are putting money in the pot and why are you re-opening the betting?

AP, the pot is over a grand with your call, which will represent about 26% of it. If his range is all sets, JJ+, and AhKh, you only have 21.7% equity. Even if we add 77,TT, and AhKx, we aren't getting the right price. He needs to have a few combos of spazz to make the flop call good, but even without them it is only a small mistake. The really expensive mistakes were pre and betting flop "to know you are at."

Last edited by Garick; 07-26-2017 at 08:15 AM. Reason: typo
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07-25-2017 , 11:21 PM
Pre sizing is ridiculous, $30-40 should be fine

Folding to the 3bet
Flop bet is good (but not for the reasons you stated)
Folding to the jam
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07-27-2017 , 10:16 AM
If you don't like money then fold to the jam.
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