Both villains are huge fish. Neither one understands relative hand strength, pot commitment, or position.

V1 ($100) called limp-called $33 preflop, called a $40 bet on the flop, and folded to a shove on the turn leaving himself $60 behind.

V2 ($300+) is on a heater and loves to see flops with very speculative hands; suited 3-gappers, unsuited 2-gappers, any pair, etc. Does not understand implied odds or effective stack sizes.

Hero ($200) just sat down this orbit and hasn't played a hand. Villains are unknown.

V2 limps, one other player limps, and I make it $22 in the cutoff with AJss. V1 cold calls, V2 calls, other limper folds.

Flop: 10 7 5 rainbow.

Both villains check... hero checks or c-bets?

sorry, but which is it - are they huge fish or are they unknown?

HH has some gaps. I'm assuming it's 1/2? The flop is rainbow - was there a spade?
we also don't know the positions of V1 and V2 which makes a big difference here

Pot is 66 and Villain 1 has 78 behind. A 50%PSB will mean you are pot committed against V1 if he calls/shoves and also leads to issues with V2 particularly if V2 acts first calls and then V1 shoves (which is why we need their positions)

with the limited info given, I think it's marginal but I lean towards betting here because you may well be ahead and you showed strength pre

I'd either check or bet $60 on the flop. as played id check coz I only have $200. if I still have around $400 behind I'd bet.

Assuming this is 1/2nl and the pot is $70...

I would cbet for $30

I would cbet small b/c
1. It's not going to take much to get air to fold (we don't want to check it down and give 2 players 2 free cards to beat us with their air)
2. We maintain the betting lead in position so we can get a free card ott
3. We can get value from gutshots and oesds, which figure to call and check it down to let us win with A high
4. We may get pairs 6s and smaller to fold
5. We'll probably get AQ/AK to fold

eta: wait...the stack situation changes things

By unknown I just meant that I'd never played with them before. Based on the way those hands were played, along with this one AND other hands before and after this occurred, these players were definitely 100% fish.

Sorry. I was posting this just as my girlfriend walked in the door and I didn't proofread like I normally do. V1 was big blind, V2 was UTG. 1/2 no limit, $4 to come in. One spade on the flop - 8.

Right. They both checked, and I know if V1 shoves and V2 folds I absolutely have to call.

No one is talking about how OP raised to $22 at 1/2 with a pretty awful, RIO, hand to have in a bloated, low SPR pot?

Raise to only 12-15 pre

run into this spot a lot actually, i used to cbet depend heavily on board texture, nowadays, i cbet part of the board, part of the players, in this particular spot, i think i'd check look at another card for free since we're in position.

backdoor spades - 2 overcards - back door broadway I c-bet this.

Raise less PF. Your hand isn't that great. I'd just do the standard $15-$16.


I don't LOVE a c-bet here, because we're up against two players, and there isn't much to rep on the board. We're getting called by nearly any pair, imo.

If it checks through on the turn, I'll probably bet it, and possibly barrel the river depending on the texture/villain.

I make it more like 16 pre. I check, we have position (I think), we aired the flop, we're not HU.

I would play in position and check. Agree with previous post.

Based on stack sizes I check and feel good about it

I would open to $12 (that's my standard open at this game) but with two limpers in at $4 each - this game is $4 to come in - $20 is more in line with what will actually get limpers to fold.