2/5 @ Edgewater

V is competent young asian reg, but we have no history. Hasn't gotten out of line but I'm quite sure he mixes it up. ~$585

Hero (covers) is probably seen as maniacal/laggy/spewy preflop, but was actually getting hit with the deck and being put in a bunch of tough spots post-flop. V saw me make a bad call with JJ on 764hh6x and bink a J otr after calling a raise otf and shove ott (guy had 76 obv). He has also seen me 3bet CO from BB, cbet T65cc flop and c/f 2x turn.

I raise UTG+1 with black AA to $25, CO calls and V calls otb.

Flop ($80) Ah9h7x, I bet $85 CO folds V calls.

Turn ($250) Ah9h7x6h, I check V bets $125 I call.

River ($500) Ah9h7x6h3x, I check V shoves for $350.

Hero??

Anyone b/f the turn?

I personally think this is an easy call and def not just a bluff catching spot.
There are a ton of value hands in his range than can ship that river and bluffs too.

Would you play a made flush this way?

I probably wouldn't. Most players will check the turn when the make the flush because they believe that they will only get paid for 1 street and they are hoping will not be able to fold on river.

I would bet the turn for $100 depending how high my flush is (protection 4flush getting there) and bet around $200 on the river.

I think you are ahead a huge percentage of the time.

How many value hands do we beat?

All 2p and all sets

Edit: just seen flush come in.

Flush/straight combos with 10h are the only draws he has on the flop that he flats an overbet with, unless your read on him is off. I call as well, expecting to see other Aces and lower sets, and I think a few bluffs too.

Ugh, this hand made me flash back to the last time I had a set on the river at the Edgewater facing a jam when every draw hit. I thought about posting that hand too, it was disgusting. Just like this one.

By the way, it's not just that the flush hit--T8 also got there. The 6h is really such a bad card.

I would not bet/fold the turn because once you put a sizable portion of effective stacks in the pot, you're a) giving up a lot by folding before you get a chance to see if the board pairs, and b) not sure if Villain will slowplay, and then if he does you're in almost this exact spot on the river anyway.

I don't know what the right play here is unless the Villain happens to be someone I remember playing with.

I do love your flop sizing, though.

The biggest leak you have is the fear of the draw. You overbet the flop. Lots of players do this when they have a big hand. They want to win the pot now and take no risk in losing. It costs them a lot of money.

Instead, you want to encourage draws to call. You want to play on their greed that they are going to stack you when they hit. In this situation, you should have bet 50 or so.

Contrary to the above posts, this is how I'd play if I hit the flush and wanted to get stacks. Make a 1/2 PSB on the turn to see if there is a set willing to call and gii on the river.

I used to play at the Edgewater. I can assure you, the sizing is fine. The only question is whether to overbet the flop or go for a check/raise, not whether to bet smaller.

EDIT: This is probably specific to the location, as where I play now, the overbet is far less likely to be called.

I accept the correction.

Click the middle button pretty fast (throw chips in)

@OP what was your thought process when you overbet the flop? Are you doing the same with AK? KQhh? KQo? What range do you think your opponent has in this spot? What is your perceived range? Do you think villain can float you here?

I feel like with no history I'd want to fold, but it's such a disgusting spot. Because we overbet flop and checked turn, we clearly don't have a flush, and a competent villain knows that. I would bet 50ish on flop, bet turn (bet/folding probably?)

If he has bluffs in his range then doesn't he have more flushdraws than just the Th?

I was planning on firing turn almost regardless but IMO this is the worst card in the deck.

Basically my entire thought process. As I said he's a reg and he knows almost everyone at the table but I have no history with him (there hasn't been 2/5 at EW for a long time but there's a big tourney running).

Thanks - I decided to start overbetting a lot more and I think if anything I've gotten more action lol.

See above - normally I would bet between $45-55 in this spot (at a tighter casino), but players are willing to call quite light (good and bad) and it's an action flop for a lot of hands - I'm not just trying to take the pot down.


This is just a guess - but I would imagine my perceived range on the flop is AJ+/2P/sets + flush draws/straight draws. I imagine by the river my hand looked a lot like AQ/AK.

In terms of him floating - I would imagine hands like JTs/98 but I can't really think of many other hands (although I'm sure he's capable). As well I don't know how often he turns Ax into a bluff in this spot either, and I feel he's probably raising flopped 2P/sets at least some % of the time.