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Old 05-14-2017, 11:30 PM   #1
Noles1724
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Bet vs checking

I was in a hand last night that brought up some good table talk and wanted to see what others may think...

1/2nl max buy-in $200
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Villain: cutoff/$600+ effective
Hero: BB/$350ish effective with Q7o.

I've played a lot with villain. One of the more thoughtful players at my room but can be extremely splashy. Has the ability to pressure a cbet that he thinks is being done as a "standard" play.

Limped preflop pot
Flop is Qc7cx
Hero checks
Villain bets $12
Hero calls

Turn is a club
Hero checks
Villian cheeks

River a 7, what's the play here for the hero?

Also, keep in mind that villain hand was never in question..anything other than complete air/bluff would have been shocking.

1. Lead out with hopes of being raised by an aggressive player with a deep stack?

2. Check, to entice a bluff/last attempt save the flop bluff and win the pot?

I'll chime in, in a bit with what route I went with
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Old 05-15-2017, 05:09 PM   #2
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Re: Bet vs checking

Itīs kind of weird because you donīt really have many bluffs on the river, assuming x=2 or 3. I guess im betting full houses and turning bottom pair into a bluff. probably checking everything else unless youīre playing against players that donīt fold top pair, in which case I would bet more thin for value as an exploitative play.
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Old 05-15-2017, 05:13 PM   #3
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Bet vs checking

As played I probably go for the c/r on the river, but I would have bet flop, and had I not bet flop I would have c/r the flop.


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Old 05-15-2017, 05:35 PM   #4
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Re: Bet vs checking

Bet river. Seems like his bluffier things might have bet turn, so look for some value from some sort of Q or (un)lucky 7.I'd also prefer to give him the opportunity to make a more expense bluff albeit a rarer one facing a bet - still possible, esp if he checked back some sort of value/high club ott.

I'd bet flop as well.
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Old 05-15-2017, 05:40 PM   #5
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Re: Bet vs checking

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I would have bet flop, and had I not bet flop I would have c/r the flop.
I think the flop is a far more interesting bet vs check spot than the river.

Your checking range in a limped pot is wide and weak. You can either bet or check/raise but whichever you picked has to have an appropriate amount of trash in it.
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Old 05-16-2017, 11:54 AM   #6
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Re: Bet vs checking

I agree, I think the flop I probably should have ck/r instead of ck/c. I saw the flush draw and figured that's what he was betting only to realize that he wasn't once he ck the turn. In thinking that I should have charged him for his draw (even though he turned out to not have that draw).

I was really trying to get him to hang himself as that's the type of player he is/was and as it turns out I did ck the river.

My thinking here was there was no way he was going to call any bet. A small chance he raised me if I led out and a greater chance that he takes a stab at the pot if I ck to him. As it turns out, any bet (flop, turn, or river) would have resulted in a fold anyways so I think there simply wasn't a 'correct' play to get more chips from opponent.

anywho, thanks for the feedback. This hand could have been played a lot of different ways and it's one of the things I love about NLH.. there isn't always a 'right' answer and sometimes there are multiple/possible right ways to play a hand/situation.

One thing I did notice was this allowed me to get to showdown a couple of times that I had not expected due to checking the nuts in this situation. This hand made my opponent aware that I'm capable of this play and provided plenty of caution.
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Old 05-17-2017, 01:34 AM   #7
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Re: Bet vs checking

I'd lead the flop. A check around would be annoying.

As played, I think this is the perfect spot to make a fake blocking bet. I'd bet somewhere around 1/4 to 1/3 pot. If he calls with some bad hand, that's fine. If he raises, even better. I think checking is unlikely to elicit a bluff - he's not going to expect you to be check folding after the way the hand has played out.
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Old 05-17-2017, 03:04 PM   #8
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Re: Bet vs checking

I'd always go for a bet to induce in this situation too. I've lost count of the number of silly bluff raises even quite passive players pull on me when I look fairly weak but they know they can't win by calling.

Like ChrisV says most villain's won't think a normal sized river bet gets any folds here but a small lead from you starts them thinking that now a monkey bluff raise can be big enough that it just might work! Maybe they make it really big just to be sure
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