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Originally Posted by dmccoy87
I would bet turn, but with the hand AP I would get it in here.
I'm afraid our turn x/r has probably scared off most overpairs and some 7x hands. Maybe some $50-$65 bets will get a call that a shove wouldn't, but can give up value with that play. Villain might even be more convinced he is beat and do less bluff-catching with Jx hands as well. Since you are viewed as nitty probably not getting a call with anything other than 7x hands at this point.
Agree with a lot of this, but with a few observations.
First, it's hard to see how Villain has a J in his hand, unless it is a hand like AhJh, KhJh, QhJh, or (god forbid) JJ. There aren't too many other hands including a J that would fit the betting patterns. Notably, none of these hands can call a big bet OTR other than JJ.
Second, there are lots of overpairs that can call a value bet. Many 1/2 NL players would find it hard to lay down big pair hands like TT+ for an additional $30 when there's $120 in the pot after the turn C/R. Again, none of these hands can call a big bet OTR other than JJ.
Finally, Villain may very well be holding a 7, but it doesn't really fit with the preflop action. Other than A7s and 77, there are not really any hands that Villain could be holding that would include a 7 and be the type that a typical 1/2 NL player would raise to $15 pre-flop.
All of this has to factor into how much to bet OTR. If Hero really thinks that this Villain has a lot of 7s in his pre-flop raising range, then by all means bet big. It is the extremely rare 1/2 NL player who is capable of laying down trips just because he suspects that he might have a kicker problem.
But if Hero concludes that an overpair is more likely, then I think you have to size your river bet to something smaller that lays irresistible pot odds. As difficult as it is for lots of 1/2 NL players let go of Aces or Kings, a good many of them will still fold them to big river bets on obviously dangerous boards.
Bottom lines: I'd bet the river rather than hope for a bluff; and I'd shade my bet on the smaller side unless I have good reason to believe either (a) there's a decent chance Villain is holding a 7; or (b) Villain is a calling station who could not bear to fold Aces, Kings or Queens when they are still the top pair on the river.