For whom? Certainly in an unraised pot I'm not worried that the BB has A6 more than any other 6. I think he checkraises the turn with any 6, so no action he has made has defined his kicker any better. I did stuff the river, though, but I didn't expect him to put me on A6/AA.

I don't want to be results orientated, but I think a nitty fish pushing 60 yo that min-raised the turn and then dangles a "please don't fold to my tiny bet" on the river is not as clear of a stuff as everyone is making it seem. Online, I'd 3-bet stuff the turn with no hesitation. Then again, I think he probably plays trips the same way, so IDK, but I'm not sure I get paid by trips on the river.

Hand #1: Generally I will get this all-in on the turn. He most likely has a 6 which means he likely has 3 outs with 1 card to go (unless he has JJ or 6-4 which are both super coolers). Get it in preferably before a scare card like an Ace, 7, or 5 come out.
Hand #2: I bet turn. As played river value bet is fine. (there are a lot of worse hands that will call a value bet like this).
Hand #3: Call or fold is fine here. Lean towards call because of pot odds.

LoL, @ A6 not being more likely than any other 6 because it wasn't raised. I heard this exact logic yesterday from a fish that called a large river bet with a 9 on an AA992 board. LoL. Who raises with A6 in LLSNL poker? NOBODY. Who plays A6 suited: Most everyone. A6, 76, and 56 are the most common hands that villain has here by far. BTW, many of these nits won't raise it here without a big 6 here (depends how bad they are). His river bet seems super weak though so I can't see how you don't raise that and if he beats you then nice hand sir because he played it perfectly.

Well, hey, lol if you think he only has 3 outs on the turn if he holds just a 6.

What I meant is if everyone limps in, the BB can have any 6. It's not like if he's MP where an A6 makes sense. Now if you want to debate whether he wouldn't cr the turn without a large 6 and that's why an ace is not a blank, then fine, but preflop A6 and 62 are just as likely.

I think he's saying that the BB can have any 6, because it is a limped pot and he is as likely to have been dealt T6 as A6, which, mathematically, is correct.

But the point you are making is also correct--that most players wouldn't raise all of their sixes, but most players will raise A6 on the turn. That, of course, is why the ace on the river is not a blank.

edit: slow pony; post is written to Tom Dwan's son.

Ok, he has a few more outs than that. In that case, check and see a free river....NOT. Thanks for the correction but that does not substantively change your action. Get it all in on the turn. Some of these nits will even fold a 6 on the river if you raise there because in their mind obv you have A6.

With 7 outs, you missed more than half of his outs. Sklansky gets hella bent out of shape when someone thinks 1 in 22 is the same as 22 to 1.

Also, not sure why we can't discuss hands like gentleman. The lolz and sarcasm doesn't seem necessary, imo. That said, I appreciate the perspective, nonetheless.

Anyway, he tabled 64.

AA hand chick says, "I'm really confused" and genuinely was. I'm thinking flush seems to make sense, but she stammers on about how my play makes no sense and finds a call. She mucks and says, "Oh, that makes sense. Nice hand."

Euro donk tables 97 of diamonds.

GRUNCH,

There are a few "almost" absolutes you need to know about LLSNL.

#1 no one folds trips ever. Not, ever. When I have a FH and I'm reasonably sure a villain has trips, I can shove. Doesn't matter if I shove $200 into a $50 pot, they are never folding...especially if there is one more card to come.

#2 A lot of players take TPWK and ESPECIALLY TPGK to the river DESPITE you repping an overpair

# 3 A lot of LLNSL love to chase a draw then when they hit thier draw they go for a c/r on river

Anyways, not trying to put together another how to beat LLSNL thread. Have you read any? We have a couple of good ones around and basically do one like once a month.

GL

Sorry to break it to you but I don't need math to play this hand in my sleep. If villain has 64 or JJ then it's a super cooler but you should be doing whatever you can to ensure that villain's chips go in the middle. I'm honestly not sure why you posted this one (oh no I ran into a super cooler boo hoo).

Sorry to break it to you, but here's my last million limit hands on Stars before US players were kicked off:



I used lots of math and didn't play in my sleep, sorry.

Let's see your graph, please. That will help me determine if I can achieve similar results in NL using your bitter-sweet advice.

Thanks.

Your limit results mean absolutely nothing to me and now you are simply detracting from this forum. I'm sure with your attitude you will go very far in your new endeavor.

They mean enough for you to respond, apparently.

I agree. With the same work ethic, I think I will succeed.

First, I should say you seem to have a reasonable grasp on some important NL concepts already. It appears you’re improving at a steadily rate. Congrats.

As a note in general, start trying to pay more attention to stack sizes, as it’s a crucial piece of information that should help you make better decisions, and also helps you better estimate decisions your opponents may consider.

You don’t have to limp behind weak players. It’s advantage some times, however, if you can outplay them and they tend to limp-call a ton, it’s free money for you by iso-raising if they fold to cbets when they miss. Start abusing them.

Hand #1: Super easy shove.

Hand #2: Checking river. Only hands we beat that we could get called by are overpairs but they would be commiting suicide by taking this line. Any time we’re called we’re toast. Take a note with what she showed up with for the future.

Hand #3: Fold river.

hand 1 get it in.

hand 2 standard bet/fold

hand 3 call. chopping a lot winning enough. losing rarely

#1: I shove 100% of the time.

#2: The minraise on the flop, to me, looks weak. I may be ready to commit there depending on stack sizes, etc. I like checking behind the turn. I would bet small or check the the river.

#3 Call or maybe minraise. Not that scared of bdfd.