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ATo in BB vs. BTN raise ATo in BB vs. BTN raise

03-29-2016 , 05:26 PM
1/2, been here about 2 hours, I seat changed after 30min to get position on villain and others. Villain in this hand is a young asian guy, playing a pretty laggy style. He'll raise pre often, but will also limp behind often, and is active post flop. He's basically a pretty smart thinking player, but I think he's playing a bit too loose and too aggressive, and I think with position I'll definitely win money from him. My image is solid, tight, winning, I have about 300.

I've had two significant hands with Villain. First hand I raise AQ in EP and he calls on button. Flop comes K76 , I bet a bit over 1/2 pot, he calls. Turn is the 4, I check (probably a mistake, but whatever), he checks behind. River is another spade, I bet just under half pot, he tanks, talks aloud, reads my range correctly, and calls.

Second very significant hand, I raise KQ from BTN over some limpers and he calls, it's heads up. Flop is 9TJ rainbow. He checks, I bet half pot, he calls. Turn blanks, he donks super small (10$), I raise pretty small, again around 1/2 pot or a bit less, he calls. River is an 8. He min-donks for 2$, I think a bit and shove for just over pot. He tanks forever and finally open folds QT !! and I muck.


ON TO THE HAND:

1/2, 300 eff., villain covers me.

Folds to villain on BTN who raises to 12. SB folds, I call in BB with ATo.

--Villain's raising range is probably any two cards here. I could definitely consider 3-betting, but I haven't quite worked out my 3-bet bluffing game in live play (obviously when I played online I was doing it often). I don't want to have him call with position as I'm not yet sure exactly what he's capable of, and what I can/can't get away with. So I just call.

Flop (25) JJ7 rainbow

I check, villain bet 16, I call.

--A passive line is developing and I didn't quite think out all my options, but obviously I'm intending to make a play for the pot at some point. I think a x/raise on this flop would have been good.

Turn (57) JJ7 4ss

I check, villain checks behind.

River (57) Qo

I lead 30.

--Overall, not great. I think I should have either 3! pre or x/raised flop, waiting until river is likely to get me called light. I don't actually think villain is folding pocket pairs here, or a 7, or a Q.

BUT, his range is so wide that I actually have some showdown value, which makes me think about x/raising this river. Once he checks behind the turn his range is capped to less than a J, but whether he'll bet for thin value with less than a Q is somewhat doubtful.

Anyway, thoughts?
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03-29-2016 , 05:36 PM
I don't like the river play at all.

You are bluffing for a sizing that guarantees a call from most pps and really don't represent a lot.

Why not check and calls depending on sizing and live read with so much showdown value on a very favorable Ahigh board?
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03-29-2016 , 05:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by samdabam
I don't like the river play at all.

You are bluffing for a sizing that guarantees a call from most pps and really don't represent a lot.

Why not check and calls depending on sizing and live read with so much showdown value on a very favorable Ahigh board?
I don't love x/calling, you're right I think it's better than lead-bluffing, but I don't think it's great either. I'm still inclined to think that either a 3! or flop x/raise would be best, but I'm curious what other people think. Basically the question is: since we're OOP, when and how is the best time to make a play for the pot, given that villain's range is wide open?
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03-29-2016 , 06:18 PM
fold preflop
then fold preflop again
you're going to win money from him using position and in this hand, you don't have it
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03-29-2016 , 06:30 PM
3bet pre, cbet small, check turn and bet river? Don't think there's any +ev in taking such passive line OOP.

Even if as played, I wouldn't lead out river small. I doubt V is folding any pairs and you are bluffing away all the hands you already beat. Check/ decide if hero river is what I would do.
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03-29-2016 , 08:44 PM
prefer just folding pre
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03-30-2016 , 03:15 AM
River is the easiest check/call in the world. If you think you are ahead of his range (hence your reason for check/calling the flop) than why would you "bluff" the river? If he is ahead he is obviously calling and you prevent yourself from winning an extra bet from him if he chooses to bluff the river. Really bad river decision making.
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03-30-2016 , 03:28 AM
If his raising range is atc then 3 bet pre for sure

He will either fold a ton making it an auto profit or call with a weak range including a ton of Ax worse then us.

As played river is a c/c or c/f which are pretty close I would think
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