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SB is thirties white male. He transferred to the table 3 hours ago and has played very tight. He's pretty much a nit but is wearing sunglasses cap and hoodie, just seems like he's more capable of what he's been playing but the reads atm were he's tight usually comes in for a raise but has overlimped maybe twice. Has opened maybe 2 times and folded the rest.

Hero raises UTG AhQc 20 covers
Sb calls 900 eff
Flop (40) QhJh7s ck hero bets 25 Sb calls
Trn (90) 5s ck hero bets 60 Sb raises to 170
Hero?

This prob is a standard fold but I was thinking wouldnt he raise his value hands on the flop w it being pretty wet?

Yup, it's a standard fold, even given that the flop was wet enough that most players would raise their value hands. Why? Because the turn changed nothing. There are no new semi-bluffs available, and any from the flop were much more likely to raise then when they had more equity.

If he is that tight this is a fairly easy fold. The call flop/raise turn is a standard line with a set. A flop raise isn't out of the question if he is worried about a wet board but heads up that isn't a big worry here. You raised UTG so the only draw you are likely to have is AK, AhKh isn't folding and the off suit AK is a gut shot draw. For the same reason his draws are limited, what does he call with heads up out of the SB that makes a draw on this board? Further limited because you have the Ah and block the big heart draws.

Easy fold for all the excellent reasons given above.

All I can add is that your read that villain is more capable than a standard nit fits with his line perfectly. An actual nit would raise the flop for fear of being drawn out on. More competent player understands what QuadJ and Garick explained above and therefore takes the more deceptive and hence more profitable line.

Certainly not a perfect science, but against 'sit on hands' guys like this where it's very tempting to go after 3 streets of value when they 'finally' play a hand that's the exact reason I try to avoid going for value on the Turn.

You must balance for sure, but I just try to keep things under control in the first couple of hands against this player type since I figure they wont offer up 3 streets of value anyway. When IP and checking the Turn I am certainly willing to call most River bets they offer up and get a look at their cards. If they fail to bet the River I still can bet and if they fold then I know they probably would've folded the Turn as well.

I don't like free cards and this certainly looks like a results orientated post but just wanted to offer another angle that I try to use. GL

Seems like a fold, and I guess we fold AA/KK here? Hard to do, but they aren't much different. I guess he could have those hands when we have AQ, but unlikely. And, if we have AA/KK, he could more easily have QQ.

I'm going to start making this play (call pre/flop and raise turn) a bit more often against players I know are able to fold TP/TK -- sparingly, but I need to do it more often. Unfortunately, most of my opponents would not fold -- so I have to just exploit them when I have it.

Yes I fold AA- here.

I'm not afraid of getting bluff raised.

I'm also not worried about draws that much so happy to check flop or turn.

Reasoning: The call out of SB vs UTG from tight player is so frequently small pairs that V has very few draws apart from AK. For the same reasons V has few hands he can call more than one street with without being ahead of top pair.

I think tight V can flat KK preflop in this spot but I think he will play it passively to let us keep betting top pair. If he has TT, 99 or 88 he might call once to see if we bet again. He can expect to win some pots where we just check it down after cbetting. You see this all the time in zoom poker online (I play it just to test new things out quickly and cheaply but it is also good for practice against very tight players generally).

If you manage to bet 2+ streets and get called I expect you see nothing weaker than AQs, frequently KK and maybe once in a while KQs.

For these reasons I actually like letting the flop go by without a bet vs this type of player in this blinds vs early position open type spot. The advantage is you trick V into thinking you have less than top pair and might thereby get 2 streets of value rather than one from a high pocket pair you beat. Secondly you might be able to discern the difference between a set and a pair being bet by villain on the turn. Bigger bets are more likely sets or over pairs betting for value while small bets are likely moderate pocket pairs betting for protection.

I'm on board with the 2 streets of value plan here, but I much prefer to check back the turn than the flop.

AP, fold.

Ok thanks guys i ended up calling the turn raise. River came a 4h and it went check check.
V shows KK and wins.

There is this thing that passive nitty nits do, an Excess of Precaution: they wouldnt bet this flop for the same reason you would: is wet. They want to be sure that the turn is safe, and no draws get completed, so they can feel safe and bomb your bet. For the same reason, you can find here a lot of KK and QQ, in order to avoid a flopped A or K. Because there are still draws out there, straights and flush draws, he waited. Expect to fnd here KK, QQ, JJ, 77; the worst he can have is AQ, but there are only two combos left , so is tiny the chance.

BTW, he will never have here AA, because thats the nuts for them, and you will know right away PF.

AA is quite different than AQ here, especially with the lack of knowledge on villains game. I thought this even before reading the post saying he had Kings. The more hands you beat, the more you can err towards a call.

I don't agree with everyone saying the turn changed nothing, he could have been raising with 109 of spades or something like that. Definitely agree with the fold though as he's either making a strong semi-bluff or had the bigger overpair or set.

You are right, AA is a lot more powefful and I'd certainly be much more frequently calling with AA than TPTK.

I'd still fold AA against very tight players though because I find they often play 1pair quite cautiously unless they are tilting.

I like folding until a villain has shown they raise postflop wider than 2pair+. If they do raise wider you will find out soon enough and often with someone else risking their chips instead of you. Even tight players can't hit sets more than 12% of the time so any greater frequency of raising is going to require over pairs, top pair and draws. Then I call my AA and more depending on what I think he's raising.

it only works if you have a very tight image like the villain. If you have a loose image and try this line it's a spew.

agreed, and it (checking OTT) gives you a chance to overbet bluff some icky rivers if you read a block / thin value bet from him.

Yes, not a problem. (Sorry, thought you guys would infer that, but I guess not.)

standard fold

I'd be wary of using this line as a bluff against anyone other than the tighter thinking players. Loose players won't let go of strong pairs+ and hard of thinking players won't be able to reconcile your flop check/call (=you are drawing) with your turn check/raise (=you made your draw but no draws made it). They'll get confused and that'll trigger bizarre light call downs.