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Old 05-31-2012, 10:29 AM   #16
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Re: AKo in MP facing huge 3 bet

Not sure how u consider that a huge 3b. It's an easy shove and it doesn't really matter what his cards were. U have roughly 1/8 of your stack invested, theres 30 in likely dead money and u should have at least 45% equity vs his range.
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Old 05-31-2012, 10:46 AM   #17
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Re: AKo in MP facing huge 3 bet

scared money is dead money, this is a ship ainec
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Old 05-31-2012, 10:52 AM   #18
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Re: AKo in MP facing huge 3 bet

what you did wrong was not shove.
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Old 05-31-2012, 12:24 PM   #19
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Re: AKo in MP facing huge 3 bet

I like the shove her. the 4-bet is a pretty strong line in 1-2 and you may get some better hands to fold like mid-pp's.
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Old 05-31-2012, 01:18 PM   #20
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Re: AKo in MP facing huge 3 bet

Thanks for all the feedback, everyone. I have only been playing live cash games for a couple of months, so I'm still working toward getting the hang of it. I guess "huge" was the wrong word to describe the 3 bet lol.

Looking back on it, I agree with everyone...that was an easy shove. I really wussed out there and gave him too much credit. I guess at the time I was thinking that I really didn't want to race against JJ or QQ and obviously I'm way behind AA and KK.

He ended up showing AcQc, so clearly I made a very big mistake. The good thing is that I can admit my errors, correct them and never make the same one twice. All part of the learning process....once again, thanks everyone.
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Old 05-31-2012, 01:31 PM   #21
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Re: AKo in MP facing huge 3 bet

OP since you are clearly very genuine about improving I suggest reading the micro stakes FR concepts of the week as a good place to get started.

Just to clear up some basic maths. You need to think in terms of the profitability of a play. We measure this in EV.

When you say you don't want to "flip against JJ or QQ" you are showing that you don't grasp this most basic of fundamentals.

After you raise and are called in two places there is $45 in the pot. If you get all in against the villain there will be another 115 of his money. Thus is will cost you $100 to win a total pot of 260.

If he shows you QQ and we are 46% to win (depending on suits) we can work out is the call is profitable. We divide the 100 we are risking by the total pot size of 260. ~.38. This means that against any hand we will beat more than 38% of the time it is more +EV than folding. This is how we make decisions, not a desire to flip or not flip.

The next step is to realize that villain can have a range of hands and to calculate the most profitable play against all his possible hands using a similar process and a program called poker stove but one step at a time.
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Old 05-31-2012, 01:35 PM   #22
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OP since you are clearly very genuine about improving I suggest reading the micro stakes FR concepts of the week as a good place to get started.

Just to clear up some basic maths. You need to think in terms of the profitability of a play. We measure this in EV.

When you say you don't want to "flip against JJ or QQ" you are showing that you don't grasp this most basic of fundamentals.

After you raise and are called in two places there is $45 in the pot. If you get all in against the villain there will be another 115 of his money. Thus is will cost you $100 to win a total pot of 260.

If he shows you QQ and we are 46% to win (depending on suits) we can work out is the call is profitable. We divide the 100 we are risking by the total pot size of 260. ~.38. This means that against any hand we will beat more than 38% of the time it is more +EV than folding. This is how we make decisions, not a desire to flip or not flip.

The next step is to realize that villain can have a range of hands and to calculate the most profitable play against all his possible hands using a similar process and a program called poker stove but one step at a time.
Great info. I do have a basic understanding of EV, but clearly not enough to apply it in real time. I just downloaded pokerstove, so I'll work with that and I'll also read the microstakes concepts. Thanks
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Old 06-01-2012, 08:50 AM   #23
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Re: AKo in MP facing huge 3 bet

well you have to call 100 into what will be 260...so you need about 38% equity....

Untill I see someone 3 bet light, or 3 bet 2 times before, I assume 1-2 players 3 bet mostly just AA and KK...or sometime QQ+ and AK

Against QQ+ and AK your break even...against AA and KK your a big underdog (18%)...

I fold here...

I have lost more money assuming a Young guy must be and internet player who knows what a squeeze is...They are playing 1-2...until proven otherwise they 1-2 players do not 3 bet light...in most 5 hour session I will see maybe 5 3bets and I will have made 4 of them...
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Old 06-01-2012, 09:06 AM   #24
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Re: AKo in MP facing huge 3 bet

AK seems to be one of the best hands live

seen a guy win a 6 way all in pot with AK

scared money dont make money you shoulda shoved there
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Old 06-01-2012, 01:10 PM   #25
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Re: AKo in MP facing huge 3 bet

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Thanks for all the feedback, everyone. I have only been playing live cash games for a couple of months, so I'm still working toward getting the hang of it. I guess "huge" was the wrong word to describe the 3 bet lol.

Looking back on it, I agree with everyone...that was an easy shove. I really wussed out there and gave him too much credit. I guess at the time I was thinking that I really didn't want to race against JJ or QQ and obviously I'm way behind AA and KK.

He ended up showing AcQc, so clearly I made a very big mistake. The good thing is that I can admit my errors, correct them and never make the same one twice. All part of the learning process....once again, thanks everyone.
I think this is the correct word for your question, because you "viewed" it as a big bet. You are probably playing a little scared money poker. A few more lessons like you had, will probably help that (along with a good BR).


Good luck.
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Old 06-01-2012, 01:11 PM   #26
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Re: AKo in MP facing huge 3 bet

Agree shove all day. Forgive this off topic comment... worst play in hand was not OPs fold, it was villain's show.
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