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Old 06-13-2012, 01:47 PM   #1
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AK on Turn Facing Donk Shove

$1-2 villain is late 50s with about $250 UTG+1 and hero has $145 in MP w/ AKo 3 limps in front hero raises to $14, UTG & villain call. Flop 10h 6s 4c, C C hero bets $35, villain UTG & villain call. Turn Kh villain jams allin...hero? What can he be on here?
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Old 06-13-2012, 02:16 PM   #2
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Re: AK on Turn Facing Donk Shove

Need more info on villian besides late 50's. Does he limp a lot of pots? If so with what type of hands? Is he fit or fold? Has he done this before, if so did you see his hand? Do you have the Ah? Have you been playing tight , loose, agressive or passive. Without more info you are just going to get generic answers like KQ, KT,66,44 flush\strait draw hands.
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Old 06-13-2012, 02:25 PM   #3
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Re: AK on Turn Facing Donk Shove

Raise more pre, also you need to be c-betting/getting it in on the turn. You have under 75bb, it's essentially a short stack strategy.

I'm raising at minimum here to 18.

Also why are you potting it? Do you have any FE? Are the players even paying attention?

You need to ask yourself plenty of questions before you go around just throwing in pot sized bets.

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Old 06-13-2012, 02:39 PM   #4
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Re: AK on Turn Facing Donk Shove

Preflop looks fine.

Fairly dry board that most likely missed our 2 opponents. I'm probably also cbetting this board and then done with the hand. Not sure if there's reason to cbet so much, I'd probably only go $25 (we have to be a lot more successful at taking this down on the flop with $35 if we're going to be profitable here).

My initial reaction was insta-fold the turn. Then I realized we only have a 2/3 PSB left after the flop and we've got TPTK. But then I rethought again and old dude just shoved into 2 players who are interested in the pot after a very scary turn card on a board that had no draws. So I fold. His most likely holding is KT, followed by a set. Reads might sway me to a call, but he'd have to fairly aggro/bad for us to be good here.

ETA: I dunno, maybe he does show up with AT/QT/JT enough? Or somehow JJ/QQ that now doesn't know what to do?

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Old 06-13-2012, 03:19 PM   #5
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Re: AK on Turn Facing Donk Shove

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you are what I call pot committed my friend. you're getting 3:1 on a brilliant turn card. Snap it off. Or hollywood to get an extra call from the UTG. With your stack size I probably would have checked this flop against two players FYI.
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Re: AK on Turn Facing Donk Shove

Just to be clear, the turning point in this hand was cbetting (and a lot) on a board that has a decent chance of hitting two limp calling ranges. This isn't the worst thing in the world except you now have to shove most turns and in this case I think call a donk shove.

BTW- why would V ever shove a strong made hand? Hero is probably pot committed and there's a likely chance he gets an extra bet from UTG which he can just shove on top.
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Just to be clear, the turning point in this hand was cbetting (and a lot) on a board that has a decent chance of hitting two limp calling ranges. This isn't the worst thing in the world except you now have to shove most turns and in this case I think call a donk shove.

BTW- why would V ever shove a strong made hand? Hero is probably pot committed and there's a likely chance he gets an extra bet from UTG which he can just shove on top.
I put you on Ak or AA , villain shows up with KT, sets here a bunch. If he shows up with anything epae it is 67h
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Just to be clear, the turning point in this hand was cbetting (and a lot) on a board that has a decent chance of hitting two limp calling ranges. This isn't the worst thing in the world except you now have to shove most turns and in this case I think call a donk shove.
I agree that there was no need for a large cbet on this board when a smaller one would have accomplished the same thing.

I don't see why we have to shove most turns with A high if called in one spot (let alone two). I'm done with the hand after the cbet fails unless I hit.
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Re: AK on Turn Facing Donk Shove

I'm saying that due to the size of his bet he has to shove. If he'd bet lower it'd be closer. If he didn't bet at all it would be even better.
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I put you on Ak or AA , villain shows up with KT, sets here a bunch. If he shows up with anything epae it is 67h
Or AT, or a heart draw. Or any manner of weird crap. Why would he shove sets and 2p? Don't make much sense.
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