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AK hit K in 3bet pot, shove/check? AK hit K in 3bet pot, shove/check?

12-23-2016 , 09:07 AM
1/2 FR, effective stack size £220

Hero: had a pretty good run, taken a few pots by 3 bet pre, only showdown AQs once and was good. Image should be TAG if anyone was observing. entered all the played pots as 3 bet.

V1: loose passive
V2: LAG, seems solid, no crazy hands so far
V3: bad LAG, overvalue his skills and thought V2 is a maniac but just had good luck.

All villains got hero covered.

OTTH:
fold to V1 at EP, raise to 12 (his normal size); V2 call at MP, V3 call at btn.
Hero holds AKo at SB, raises to 50, aiming to squeeze villains (V2 is capable of folding medium pairs and V3 seems only calling when V2 is in pot), and won't mind if 1 villain calls given SPR will be <2 after flop anyway.

V1/2/3 all call. pot size 200
Hero remaining stack 170

flop: KhTd6d

Hero pushed all in.

question: with multiway pot I usually don't like slow play or do anything fancy, but given the <1 SPR, is it better to just check and call/raise, which will probably get me AI anyway but attract more weaker hands like QQ/JJ?
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12-23-2016 , 09:14 AM
Can not check and risk letting it go through with vulnerable hands and low spr.
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12-23-2016 , 09:25 AM
I think this is played absolutely fine. So many bad cards on turn for our hand if we check and everyone checks behind - I think we can defo be called by worse with this shove OTF.
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12-23-2016 , 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Dochrohan
Can not check and risk letting it go through with vulnerable hands and low spr.


This is my understanding too, but what's the logic behind it, or does it still apply when spr is so low that we are committed anyway? I know that I shouldn't give multiple villains free card at almost any flop, but whether or not they hit in later streets, I'm going to all in anyway, and if they had any kind of draw they will call anyway?
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12-23-2016 , 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by massivetime
I think this is played absolutely fine. So many bad cards on turn for our hand if we check and everyone checks behind - I think we can defo be called by worse with this shove OTF.


But i'm not going to fold to any card on turn, however dangerous it is, so what do I get by pushing at flop instead of GII in two streets?
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12-23-2016 , 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by ybyangben
But i'm not going to fold to any card on turn, however dangerous it is, so what do I get by pushing at flop instead of GII in two streets?
You let a guy check behind a draw vs allowing him to call on the flop.

If the guys hand was face up, you sure could check some flops to allow them free cards.
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12-23-2016 , 10:55 AM
This sounds 100% standard given the action and stack sizes
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12-23-2016 , 10:59 AM
I'm concerned about your pre flop raise.

Raising to just $50 is just inflating a multiway pot and you have a hand that doesn't play well multiway.

You have a raiser and two callers so you've got $39 in the pot, with $11 to call, which would make the pot $50. So, a raise to $60-65 would be a pot sized raise. Given that you are OOP, I would make 120% of the pot, or $75.

If you hit the flop, you're AI.

So you played it well, but I think you would have reduced your gamble if you could have gotten a player or two to fold pre.
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12-23-2016 , 11:03 AM
Played fine, although I would have made it $60 pre. Not much difference.
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12-23-2016 , 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Vespidae
I'm concerned about your pre flop raise.



Raising to just $50 is just inflating a multiway pot and you have a hand that doesn't play well multiway.



You have a raiser and two callers so you've got $39 in the pot, with $11 to call, which would make the pot $50. So, a raise to $60-65 would be a pot sized raise. Given that you are OOP, I would make 120% of the pot, or $75.



If you hit the flop, you're AI.



So you played it well, but I think you would have reduced your gamble if you could have gotten a player or two to fold pre.


Thanks. I like your reasoning. It's better to raise bigger indeed. probably better to do a smaller raise with made hands rather than AK.
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12-23-2016 , 12:15 PM
pretty standard 3b, flatting AK is not terrible, but it's also not an ideal hand to play multiway, it's going to flop TP /gutshot type of hands a lot and not really improve. Making it difficult to play at high SPR.
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12-23-2016 , 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Javanewt
Played fine, although I would have made it $60 pre. Not much difference.
This. We're OOP for the rest of the hand, so wouldn't mind getting folds and winning the dead $36 right then and there.

A raise to $60 would've given us a $240 pot with $160 behind which sets up a trivial open-shove post-flop. We probably want to be shoving whether we hit or not, to represent a big overpaid and to ensure we see both turn and river if we are behind and need to bink.
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