So im on a decent 2/5 table and run into non club pocket rockets in late pos. I had a limper in seat 2 and seat 3 bet 12, seat 4 folded, seat 5 called. I raised to 30, the rest folded and seat 3 and 5 called.
The flop came with a rainbow, 6,5 10. Seat 5 bets out 25, I flat hoping to get the other guy to call, and he does. On turn a club hits and makes me think a club draw could beat me, so when he bets 25 I raise to 125 hoping to take it down. He shows his 55 for a set, But seat 3 is yet to act!!!
Seat 3 folds, the guy in seat 5 tanks and calls.
On river a 4th club hits the board making the villains 5 high flush.
What to do???

I think you posted here instead of LLSNL as this is an ethical question as opposed to strat? I think it still may belong in LLSNL, but I will put my 2 cents in anyhow.

I don't think it would be scummy to bet, if that is what you are asking. Its not your fault that he exposed his cards.

You left out stack sizes, which are very important here. I think you can bluff him off of his hand easily unless he only has a few bucks left.

I was about 600 deep and the guy in seat 5 had a few bucks less. Another thing to note is that I said hi earlier since we had played at a home game before. He didnt recognize me but a while later he commented how he wouldnt know I was there if I hadnt reintroduced myself- I was so tight.

Please tell me you mean it's decent for you to profit, rather than the players are decent because this preflop action is lolbad.

You must raise to at least $55, irrespective of image.

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You hope you get to make another $25 in a ~$100 pot from an overcall when there are straight and (apparently) flush draws possible..?

The third worst thing you could do here (after what you actually did, and folding) would be to min-raise to $50... and that would at least make it possible for the other guy to fold, so you're up against one opponent and would get the same amount of money into the pot.

Make it $100, preferably a touch more.


You think your opponents are likely to hold a flush- so you raise in the hopes they are going to fold?
Seriously?

Somehow, this hand has turned immensely in your favour- bet slightly more than you would if you held the Ace of clubs and expect him to fold.

They allow exposing cards multi-way? That is teh suck for you, as seat 3 got extra info OTT that you didn't get before you had acted.

Wait, are there 3 clubs or four? You posted rainbow flop, so at most one, then c turn, club river. That's 3. I assume that it was actually a 2 club flop. You played the hand like a hot mess if the board was that wet, but I'm pretty sure that's what you meant.

Preflop, pot is $41 just with your call (and they allow white chip bets other than AI?), and you've got 3 players already with money in, don't make it just $28 more. I go $45.

AP to flop, flop is rather wet with both a SD and a FD out. Guy bets $25 into $100 and you flat with an overpair. Terribad! He's likely setting a price (though game sounds weak enough that he could be "betting to see where he's at") If he'd checked, you'd want a near PSB. With his $25 already in the pot, the pot is $150 with your call. Make it at the very least $100, and $125 is much better.

AP to turn, well what card it is (other than "a club") matters, but that same bet is weak sauce. Obv raise is obvious, as letting someone win with one tiny club would be a disaster almost as big as your call on the turn.

AP to river, always shoving here. You have a tight image, a V who is obv afraid of the flush and has a horrible one himself, and literally no SDV. Pot is $450-ish and you've got just under a PSB left. Turn it into a bluff and there's very little chance he can call with a 5-high flush.

I prolly made some errors in the explanation. By the time Im back at home on 2+2 im drunk to say the least, so thats my excuse. I started the thread to inform, not get info. What happened is that on the turn when I bet 125 there were 3 clubs on board, but I didnt want to let a club in easy. He showed and I got all that free info and the thread is kinda on how to use that free info.
On river another club hit and I bet allin for pot size approx, I knew he had a 5 of clubs, he knew I knew. I had been betting strong all hand and had been accused of being tight like 10 minutes earlier.
It was a perfect storm in my favor.

So you're saying that you'll wake up at 2pm tomorrow and cringe as you reread this thread?

Please tell us all about it...

Call the floor. That's a dead hand.

Bet!

Bet/fold whatever you think will get him to fold his counterfeit hand.

"Sorry man, that sucks, but I just have to play my hand."

Then shove.

No offence but, given this is a strategy forum, I feel compelled to inform you that you butchered every action up until you could see your opponent's hand. According to the fundamental theorem of poker, you couldn't make a mistake after that point so the river is basically strategically irrelevant.

Seriously, which were you trying to achieve with the turn raise: folding out better or getting value from worse?
Cos if the villain is tank calling with a low set, then he's probably only folding two pairs that you beat and calling with all better, which makes for a pretty terrible bluff when you still beat the majority of his range.

Your perfect storm happens basically never, so you need to work out how this plays out if the villain doesn't make a colossal mistake like this.