V1 - somewhat sloppy dressed black dude early 30s. Sat down about 2 hours before and was on about his 3rd or 4th 100 buy in. Sitting in 2 seat, raising 80% pre when limped to him. Calling about 70% pre when raised ahead. Never seen him fold to a 3bet. Calls and bets light post flop. Friendly guy.

V2 - heavy tattooed late 20 something black dude with very long dreads. Been at the table 45 minutes. Sitting in 3 seat. Would call most of v1 opens, rare times when not raised before him pre, he would raise. Aggresive post flop. On his first buyin. Also friendly.

H - very tight/ nitty but aggressive when involved in a hand. Winning this session. Mid 40's long hair dress shirt and jeans. 5 seat.

Few limps to v1 (150ish) raise to 12
V2 (160) calls
H button with AA (420 ish) 3bet to 40
Folds to v1 who calls
V2 thinks a minute, looks unsure then calls
Flop (120ish) 3,3,8 rainbow
V1 checks
V2 donks 40
Hero is very confused, and then....?

All comments are greatly appreciated.

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not sure what you are looking for here. you are never folding. either you are just calling all the way down, or min raising, or shoving, but the hand is trivial.

Just call the 40 and wait see what happens on the turn.
V1 will prob fold so you will be heads up IP.

V2 has 80 left so be prepared to call that on the turn.

I would not raise the flop here because V1 is still in the hand.

A lot of times donk bets are pretty weak. Top pair weak kicker, middle pair, draws. Sometimes they're super strong, though. The problem is that even calling the donk bet pretty commits you against their stack sizes. The other problem is that the board is dry enough that he can only have trips, top pair, or pocket pair.

So, if you want to play nitty, then you can fold to the donk bet, otherwise I'd shove. I think he has trips at least half the time.

Edit: Calling him down might be a better idea since it keeps in weaker hands. Once you call the donk bet, you should call him all the way down since you're committed.

This is in fact a WA/WB situation and i want them to voluntarily put as much of the money in themselves as raising may scare them away. Given the stack sizes, we're never folding but not raising either. The only thing to do is just think for a few seconds and just call/call/call. The only time we should bet is if all the money isnt in OTR.

Yes this makes 100% sense. Basic wa/wb that i need to make a conscious effort to be part of my analysis.

Thanks.

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Yes this makes 100% sense. Basic wa/wb that i need to make a conscious effort to be part of my analysis.

Thanks.

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As PF said I'm never folding here. I'm probably flatting in hopes that V1 comes along. OTT were either calling both players all ins or we are shoving all in. If an V1 or V2 has 88 then so be it. I'm never folding in this spot because neither player should have a 3 in their range. No way V2 donk bets here with 88. Get it in and be ecstatic about it.

How is this a WA/WB situation. How are we ever behind? Do you really think either V could have a 3 in their range?

This is live low limit, they could have 3x. I would not be surprised if one of them did. I'm still totally happy about getting it in as I expect to be ahead here more often than not. And if one rolls over trips, a boat or quads then good for him. Never folding with stack sizes and the described villains. I would range the donk bet as a weaker made hand , maybe an over pair such as 10/10.

First point: Having a WA/WB situation doesnt mean that we're necessarily behind but WA/WB situations mean that "IF" were ahead or behind that we're really ahead or really behind. Understanding this concept allows us to realize that we dont have to worry about someone hitting 2 pair beating us. If they have a set of 88s or a 3 we're really behind but we dont really have to worry about any other hands because the probability of another PP hitting a set is small. This allow us to slow down a little and extract value.

second point: Yes it is very possible/likely that in LLSNL that someone with a 3 showed up. As in A3 or even a donkey hand like 3Xss.

Why would they not have a 3 in their range?? By the description they don't seem to be very selective about their starting hands.

can either shove flop, call flop or minraise flop. dont hate either option

I agree with this post....but also, with AA & their stack sizes I am never folding here.

Yes this makes most sense as to what my thought process should have been to influenced my decision.

In this hand, end result would have been the same.

What i did was shove over v2 donk bet. V1 folds and v2 calls with pocket 8s.

My play had little potential to help as it could have cost me value when ahead by blowing out v1 and possibly v2. And negative is that i likely would get a call from better. Which is what happened.

I'm completely ok with v2 showing up with 8s here, calling 25% of his stack pre flop purley to set mine. Just gotta be more mindful on extracting value when he misses (which would be most of the time)

Thanks all for your thoughts.

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Pre: raise to $50. They're never folding so set up the pot so you can just shove.

Flop: see above. Sorry they had a 3 between them. Just bad luck.

If they're never folding to 3bets, make it bigger. As played just call flop bet, never fold, and make sure all money is in by river. Small stack sizes makes this hand incredibly standard to play.

3! to at least pre for pure value. If they are truly "maniacs", it's time to be a calling station all the way.