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Lord Snow · 08-05-2012, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Little_blue

but in live poker you can often call turn bets with good odds and fold to river bets. Players check back the river with all the hands you beat and rarely triple barrel bluff.

The issue with this is we are letting him bet 100% of his range without ever losing. I see tons of guys with some mid PP bet these exact lines all the time thinking they were good or folding out better. Deciding to call the turn and fold AA to any bet OTR to a random who min-raised a 3-3-5 rainbow flop against the OR and 1/2 pot bet the turn is a bad decision imo. AA is good here much more often than it's bad.

MRB · 08-05-2012, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Dyenimator

shoving pre is horrible

why post this?

briqvueville · 08-06-2012, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by slick mikey 87

I'd go like $22 preflop to get more value.

Flop play is good.

After the flop I would c/c turn and river. Villian could have any overpair and think he's betting for value, so no reason to stop him from doing so.

The usual raise, steal has been 6bb, i made it 7.5 bb. If i would have made it 11 bb then it would have been to obvious that i had a huge hand...

briqvueville · 08-06-2012, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Dyenimator

what else do we know about villain? aggression/passiveness, raising, description of the guy in general, limp-calling range, positionally aware?

He is a young white recreational player...In the beginning he seemed to know what he was doing...but after an hour i figured out he was a donk...But the hand was played in the first 15 min he was at the table...

Limp calls a fair bit...doesn't limp with AA,KK, QQ, JJ...cause he showed AK once, where he raised with UTG....I don't think he is really positional aware...

And i never see him having a 3 here, cause he limp calls hands like 10J, JQ, A10

Actually ive figured out nobody is really positional aware at LLSNL 1/2...cause earlier i changed seats to have position on the Maniac and evrybody said : ' do you think you ll have better hands in that seat?' so.... The only one who figured out what i was doing was the maniac...

briqvueville · 08-06-2012, 10:26 AM

+ i think he would limp calls with all his small pocket pairs...22-88...

ikestoys · 08-06-2012, 10:28 AM

call flop call turn reeval river

Little_blue · 08-06-2012, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Lord Snow

The issue with this is we are letting him bet 100% of his range without ever losing. I see tons of guys with some mid PP bet these exact lines all the time thinking they were good or folding out better. Deciding to call the turn and fold AA to any bet OTR to a random who min-raised a 3-3-5 rainbow flop against the OR and 1/2 pot bet the turn is a bad decision imo. AA is good here much more often than it's bad.

Lets just say we fold to a 1/3 pot bet on the river. He does not do that with his entire range. We already have a read that he checks back 2 pair on the river at least once.

low stake players triple barrel with a range I believe beats us, at least more then 4 out of 5 times. Are play is hugely exploitable, but winning low stakes poker is playing very exploitable because they don't exploit you and they play so exploitable.

briqvueville · 08-06-2012, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Little_blue

This is low stake Though the turbo part at the crown just confuses me. This is still live??? I don't know what the crown is...j

Yeah this is live at the Crowne Casino in Melbourne...they only have turbo 1/2...so you get 10 seconds to make a desicion...I understand the concept cause you have a lot of people who don't know what there doing and take forever to make smallish desicions

+ less thinking time= more hands= more rake...

but it sucks that even when you play for like a 1K pot you only get 10 seconds to act.

At 2/3 you can 'buy' 1 min thinking time for 2 $.

Bluegrassplayer · 08-06-2012, 10:39 AM

Probably making it more preflop.

Your raise is really strong here either way.

I reraise flop a lot.

briqvueville · 08-06-2012, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Bluegrassplayer

Probably making it more preflop.

Your raise is really strong here either way.

I reraise flop a lot.

Why reraise??

To get info or to get it in??

If he calls or pushes i am beat...If he folds i had the best hand, right?

Dyenimator · 08-06-2012, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by MRB

why post this?

Because your advice sucks, there need not be an explanation

Dyenimator · 08-06-2012, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by briqvueville

Why reraise??

To get info or to get it in??

If he calls or pushes i am beat...If he folds i had the best hand, right?

You'd be shocked how often you're getting called by 77-TT

As played, given villain description I think you still have showdown value. A min raise in this board reeks of a slightly smaller pp. Call turn

StackedYouSon · 08-06-2012, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by MRB

I'd probably just shove preflop. In the games I play in at foxwoods, one of the limpers will often call. If not, I don't have to play oop in a pot that can get biggish fast (bet $15 pre = $30 pot, bet $24 on the flop, now it's a $54 pot, raised back to you and it's $102 with $24 to call.).

Anyway, the only hands he can have on the flop that beat you would be 55, 33 and maybe a hand like A3s. Other hands he can min raise with would be 66-TT, AK-AT and maybe bigger pairs, JJ-KK if he'd limp those.

If he limped JJ and got lucky on the turn, so be it. While I agree aggression from a usually unaggressive player is scary, I think I call the turn. But if you do, I think you are going to have to call on the river, and if he shoves for +-90 bb, you are going to be beat most of the time imo. So it's a tough spot.

Like I said, AA is such a great hand to shove preflop....

^Literally lol'd at this post when I read the first piece of advice and the closing line.

Get it in as the favorite, right? We're not looking to play AA postflop ever.

briqvueville · 08-06-2012, 12:43 PM

Dude, who is ever gonna call a shove preflop??? It's easier to just tell people you ve got AA.

Don't need such an advice..

briqvueville · 08-08-2012, 05:16 AM

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Originally Posted by jimmybartel09

you guys are all way too good for Crown please never play there...or do

what do you mean with that???

Just came from crown...its filled with donkeys who don't know anything about poker...They ve never heared about position, range.... at least at 1/2.