A more detailed description of V2 would help here.* Does he raise flops when he hits them, or does he like to wait? What is his range when he flats the flop bet & call? If we raise turn, can we push him off a better ace? If so, I think a smallish raise (175 maybe) is the way to go. If not, call and think club thoughts.

* Btw, 40 isn't older, dammit.

Related, if V2 raises, either over our raise or our call, I am sigh-mucking. If we raise, there really aren't very many hands he is cold-calling with (JcTc maybe, KcJc even more maybe).

V2 is definitely raising his value hands either OTF or OTT he wants to ISO V1 as much as I do, I think he'd be flatting his pair +combo draws behind me

The only hands he flats behind me that beat me are stronger Ax hands (Ajo A10o) etc

I'm not sure his range with me in the hand, he knows we're both very deep and I think he'd play much more straightforward because of this, as would I.

40 is ancient man

@aries if V2 ever raises in this hand I'm mucking ASAP

Grunch:


Preflop...
Given the description, I would take one of two lines here.

1) 3b to about $45-50 to isolate V1. If anyone 4b, I'm probably done with the hand unless its an exact min-4b and I'm closing the action.

2) Flat and come along for the ride. Will have to decide if facing a 3b.

Never folding as described.

Flop...
Flat and see what happens.

OTT...

Normally I hate flatting again here. W/o V2 involved and being super deep, I probably put a raise out there to force V1 to stack off with me.

But given the situation as described, flat and see if we can overflush V2.

We probably can get V2 to fold OTR if a brick falls so I'm happy to see it.

Hero makes the call, V2 comes along

River 8d

V1 bets $80

I really want to call V1 because I'm still ahead of his range, but V2 has to act after us do we raise call or fold here? I think all our options are valid here

This is why a lot of people said they weren't happy with the MP call pre. The sizing from the villain is weird, but if V2 is happily calling behind two players, I am pretty sure top pair bad kicker isn't good here. Fold

Any chance V2 will fold something like AT if you minraise here? If I were in his shoes, I probably would, not expecting anyone to ever be bluffing there and definitely not expecting you to be doing this with a weak ace.

+1, and it's even worse as we're UTG+1 (there was a very good chance we were going to be in this awkward spot postflop)

I've lost track of the pot size, but I'm guessing we're getting massively good odds on the river. But was V2 really just trailing behind us with a worse hand trying to bink a 5 outer closing the action? Or is he simply calling down with a better hand, and of course we could be behind V1 all along too?

Weird spot given the odds. If we call it's possible V2 might even muck a better Ace thinking that we have him beat. I'd hate to fold here given these odds, have V1 show his expected air and have V2 scoop the pot with his Q. I think I sigh call, but I hate the bed we've made for ourselves.

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I end up making the call (I actually like the minraise line and I need to put more minraises into my game instead of only thinking about full raises)

V2 tanks and calls behind

V1 shows A7hh
We show A6cc
V2 shows Q8cc

V2 takes the pot

Try hitting 2 pair or a flush next time


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And that's why you call otf, no matter how crushed you are.

Lol, V2.

This is probably my biggest leak tbh