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Old 06-28-2012, 11:39 PM   #1
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99 line check

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Hero. Snug image sitting roughly 75xbb eff stacks vs V1/v2.

V1: younger black kid seems reckless but somewhat competent pf.

V2: fat older guy. Complete fish. Passive pf/calling station pf/post flop. Doesn't raise too much pf though...seems like a narrower range to raise it up pf

Utg limps....Utg+1 V2 raises to $10.....mp calls hero in lp 9d9s calls $10....BB V1 calls.

Flop: 6s7c2s Pot~$44

BB checks.....V2 bets $12....folds to hero who raises $48.....BB/V1 calls....V2 tanks and calls.

Turn: 9h Pot~$188

Check....check hero ships. Call call

River: Qh

Thoughts on flop raise/bet size.
Turns obv standard as its gin card....but focused on pf and flop decisions. Arguments for 3b pf and flatting. And flatting flop/raising flop-bet size range.

What range would u assign V1 and V2 on flop given unusual action?
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Old 06-28-2012, 11:50 PM   #2
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Re: 99 line check

Villain2 looks like TT+, AQss, AKss. Having trouble putting Villain2 on a range, I'd say some kind of spade draw though based on his line.

Fine with the flat pre, you have position on both. Villain1 can't go so nuts oop (at least you can control the pot behind him) and the position on Villain2 does the same, if he's a true calling station it's easy to milk him if you hit the flop big acting last.

Also no problem with flop raise. You managed to get info, both seem weak or at least not thrilled with their hands, and you got value also.
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Old 06-29-2012, 12:24 AM   #3
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Re: 99 line check

What was your plan if turn was a brick?
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Old 06-29-2012, 12:58 AM   #4
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Re: 99 line check

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$2/$2 NL

Hero. Snug image sitting roughly 75xbb eff stacks vs V1/v2.

V1: younger black kid seems reckless but somewhat competent pf.

V2: fat older guy. Complete fish. Passive pf/calling station pf/post flop. Doesn't raise too much pf though...seems like a narrower range to raise it up pf

Utg limps....Utg+1 V2 raises to $10.....mp calls hero in lp 9d9s calls $10....BB V1 calls.

Flop: 6s7c2s Pot~$44

BB checks.....V2 bets $12....folds to hero who raises $48.....BB/V1 calls....V2 tanks and calls.

Turn: 9h Pot~$188

Check....check hero ships. Call call

River: Qh

Thoughts on flop raise/bet size.
Turns obv standard as its gin card....but focused on pf and flop decisions. Arguments for 3b pf and flatting. And flatting flop/raising flop-bet size range.

What range would u assign V1 and V2 on flop given unusual action?
flop raise size is ok. i think anywhere in that 45-55 range is solid

prefer flatting here. with v2 being so nitty, tight, you're expecting to see a c-bet here (but not as weak as this was). would consider 3betting a more reckless player, but i think 99 is in that middle range of hands that is optimal for flatting, 3betting might be better for the top and bottom of your range.

v1: AJs+,22,66-88
v2: TT+, AK?
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Old 06-29-2012, 12:58 AM   #5
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Re: 99 line check

looks good to me, wouldn't change a thing (if anything i might of raised a little smaller, something like 36, but after thinking about it I like your raise size more). nh wp.
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Old 06-29-2012, 01:20 AM   #6
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Re: 99 line check

Your play is good overall, I would consider 3-betting pre about a third of the time or more. We are in position with a strong hand, only 3-betting AK+ is a leak even at low stakes. We will miss out on tons of dead money when we win pre and lose a lot of value when worse hands call us and have to CF the flop.

Flop raise is perfect size.

Ranges are much different than listed above IMO.

V1: Tons of draws, all flush draws, some straight draws and sometimes a combo or hand like 78, or 88.

V2: all pp's less than KK, A7, A6, 7x, very few draws.

V1 check called a raise, at low stakes he rarely has a made hand. V2 led into field which usually means pair + since draws don't get aggro at low stakes.

Again, what was your plan if turn was an offsuit J, 2, etc?
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Re: 99 line check

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V1: younger black kid seems reckless but somewhat competent pf.

V2: fat older guy. Complete fish. Passive pf/calling station pf/post flop. Doesn't raise too much pf though...seems like a narrower range to raise it up pf
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V1: Tons of draws, all flush draws, some straight draws and sometimes a combo or hand like 78, or 88.

V2: all pp's less than KK, A7, A6, 7x, very few draws.

V1 check called a raise, at low stakes he rarely has a made hand. V2 led into field which usually means pair + since draws don't get aggro at low stakes.
really can't see v2 showing up with A7, A6, 7x here. passive fishes limp these pre at 1/2
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Old 06-29-2012, 01:47 AM   #8
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Re: 99 line check

You played it perfect imo, I don't like raising preflop because a.) we don't know much about villain and b.) i think it's more profitable to play postflop and potentially stack villain with a set rather then take down $12 preflop.

The only thing I would've done different is make your flop raise a little smaller but it's not big deal. I am putting villain 2 on a flush draw or 88.
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Old 06-29-2012, 01:59 AM   #9
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Re: 99 line check

Pre is fine, postflop raise is too big. Normally in fact raising at all would not be called for but his bet is so small that i would pretend he didnt bet and raise it to what i would bet if he checked. So to maybe 35 instead of 48. Maybe even 30. Reason? Because Im not getting 99 all in here.
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Old 06-29-2012, 03:45 AM   #10
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Re: 99 line check

Pre-flop is fine.

On the flop, I wouldn't raise this. Villain's bet size to me is oddly small. His range to me looks like TT+, AQ+. Looks to me like he either doesn't know how to bet his overpair or he is genuinely weak (i.e. AQ/AK). In any case, if we're ahead on the flop, we're also probably going to be ahead on the turn.

So, I'm going to just call and play post-flop poker, I expect V1 to fold and then I'll find out on the turn from his bet size how strong V2's hand is. I expect him to check to me often and then for me to bet and take it down.

I'm not happy getting it in on this flop for 75bb when a bigger overpair from V2 looks like a very believable holding. I also don't want to raise for information and then have someone with a flush draw jam on us (and then for me to potentially make a poor laydown).

I generally don't like to raise/fold with hands that have good equity. If I'm raising, its probably going to be to get it in.
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Old 06-29-2012, 03:46 PM   #11
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Re: 99 line check

I also setmine preflop.

This is the second thread recently where I think folding an overpair on the flop is fairly standard. This one is even easier than the other one as this time there are 3 opponents instead of just 2. Passive guys just don't raise / cbet into world without an overpair enough here, IMO. Plus we have two other guys in the hand that need to act. ETA: Ok, I just noticed his retarded bet size; sigh. I probably just peel one off here in position and see what happens.

Turn is super obvious due to stack sizes / strength of hand. A ship is the only play.

V1 could easily be slowplaying a set, but boy he sure is slowplaying, so seems less likely. Could also have something like 88. Or draw (98 not as likely, possibly 54, possibly flush draws /w overs). V2 probably has overpair or flush draw /w overs.

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