My rule of thumb is the first time a V shows me cards, I'll tell him after I have no more action in hand. I will try not to take advantage of it in that hand, but I'm not folding a hand I would have played either. After I tell him once, I feel that my ethical responsibilities have been met and if he keeps doing it, I'll take advantage.

Assuming I'd already warned him, I'd overlimp here. Not going to try to bluff out KK against a confused rec player. I'll limp to try to hit gin, and let the math decide after that.

Until today I never thought of showing my pocket kings to encourage a raise from 85o.

Interesting post.

Happy understands the definition of ethical like Alanis Morrisette understands the definition of ironic.

I've either gotten cynical, or too old to fall for everyone's bs.

limp, ldo.

not telling anyone i saw the cards.... not my problem, i'm playing for money.

I don't see how this is unethical... THE NUMBER ONE RULE OF POKER IS TO PROTECT YOUR HAND. It is not your responsibilty to help them not make mistakes.

Unless its an old man who can hardly see, I feel no obligation to be their daddy.

Poker is about making less mistakes than your opponents.

Imo, at least.

Of course ethics are relative. Everything is subjective/relative. That doesn't mean it's not unethical. I'm sorry, you live in a world when having an unfair advantage in poker compared to the rest of the table is considered unfair. You can do what you like; I do not judge. All I am saying is that a good portion of the poker world considers that dodgy behaviour.

In a headsup pot I sort of agree more, agnostia, but there are other players involved here. It's not the other players' fault they weren't sitting next to the guy exposing his hand.

limp

Most of the time you tell somebody you saw their cards trying to help them out they get pissed off so **** them for being retarded, 2pair+mine time. How does it play out?

Oh btw dgi makes a great point that you're going for 2pair+ so usually when you continue against the KK you have the best hand multiway anyway so iso'ing doesn't make as much sense

Ok, so is having position on a whale when other players don't considered an unfair advantage to the players who the whale has position on? Of course not. I'm just saying, covering your cards is extremely elementary and is a mistake players make, just like limp calling 67o utg is a mistake.

Not my problem if they can't fulfill the most basic requirements of the game.

Position is a valid advantage, it's meant to be part of the game. Being able to see someone's holecards is not in the spirit of the game. Furthermore, position is known by everyone; they have the option of leaving and not playing. When you secretly see someone's holecards, and therefore know dead cards etc, this is an advantage that others do not know you know.

Is it the other player's fault they don't know you sometimes see the other player's cards? Is it their fault the whale does not protect their hand? So let's say the whale flashes the Ad, and then the villain ends up on the river doing a bet/3bet bluff on a four diamond board and you easily call down with Kd knowing Ad is dead. Okay? Or let's say knowing Ad is dead lets you value bet Kd much better because you know you have the nuts whereas the situation is reversed and he has Kd he might be wary of Ad. Is that fair?

Welllll technically the most +EV decision is to not tell him you can see his cards....

My main problem with telling people everytime I identify a hole card, is then they will know how closely I'm watching their hands when they look at their cards. I'm not trying to see their cards, I want to see if they instinctively reach back for chips when they're calling or raising. Or if they put a chip on their cards when they're playing, etc. etc. I'm watching them as my head is angled down toward the table, so they don't know I'm watching. I watch at least the first two players to my left almost every hand. If I told the first player to my left everytime he flashed a card, I would be alerting two or three people to my left that they need to be aware of their hand movements when they look at their cards. And I usually get at least 1-2 cards flashed at me each session. More if the player to my left is changing alot.

So I would end up giving a lot of information away simply because the guy to my left doesn't protect his hand properly. Which is his responsibility, not mine.

BOOMER SOONER!

Sick level bro

OR

What kind of drugs are those and can I haz sum pleeze?