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Originally Posted by Nice_Guy_Eddie
For clarification, I mean call the 3bet preflop and bet-shove any flop, not check hoping to induce a cbet from villain. An ace hits the flop only 30% of the time with KK and most of the time AA will still be an overpair on the flop. I'm wondering if we get more calls from TT-QQ type hands on low flops if we call pre and bet-shove the flop compared to 4betting pre.
I probably am overthinking it. Is there a COTM on 3bet/4bet startegy at low stakes? It's a part of my game I'm looking to improve.
i think you are overthinking it... lets run with this scenario.
assumption 1: Vs 3bet range is {TT+, AQ+, AJs}, its arbitrary if it's wider/narrower, because the point will be made regardless
assumption 2: Vs 4bet call range is {QQ-TT, AK}
assumption 3: Vs 5 bet range is {KK+}
action 1: call 3 bet OOP with AA/KK
action 2: donk shove all flops
scenario 1: our hand AA
flop comes A high, what calls? probably only AK/Q/J. maybe not even AJ. where do we lose value? many combos of KK/QQ/JJ/TT
scenario 2: our hand AA
flop comes K high, what calls? All AA, KK, AK. where do we lose value? QQ/JJ/TT/AQ
scenario 3: our hand AA
flop comes Q high, what calls? All QQ+, AQ. where do we lose value? TT/JJ, some AK
scenario 4: our hand KK
flop comes A high, what calls? All hands that beat us! where do we lose value? all hands we dominate!
scenario 5: our hand KK
flop comes K high, what calls? AA, AK. where do we lose value? QQ-, AQ-
scenario 6: our hand KK
flop comes Q high, what calls? QQ+, AQ. where do we lose value? JJ-, AK
scenario 7: our hand AA/KK
we 4 bet, they call with worse a ton, then when any of those scenarios above happen they feel pot committed, so they may be more inclined to call TT on a J high flop because there is 100bb in the pot already. when they fold, you have a bigger pot. when they call, they will have less equity... in a bigger pot!
by calling OOP and autoshoving, we allow V play perfectly postflop, getting their money in when they are a dog a small % of the time, and dominating us a large % of the time. sure when, the flop comes 8 high, we know we're good pretty much always, but does that happen often enough?